Weird Race Cars ......

[chrisamon]

Originally Posted by bluebullet

are those cars in the first post Can-Am style cars? The ones that made 1500 hp from 1.5Ls on straight toulyene?

Huh???

There were no 1500 HP, 1.5 litre turbos in any CanAm (or "style") cars.

Now F1, on the other hand, had the BMW engine producing 1300(ish) HP on the dyno......not raceable though as it would "explode" in short order. It could put out 1100 for qualifying, and 900 for the races.
Many claim more, but i prefer not to exaggerate.

[pwd72s]

A few weird ones in this collection...many from the early SCCA days of Portland (OR) International raceway....aka the streets of Vanport post flood.

Cliff Reuter Etceterini.com Period SCCA Sports Car Photos Ferrari GTO Maserati Birdcage Bandini

Anybody here who might have a clue about the cafe racer motorcyle in the background of the 4th pic?

[smadsen]

The H-16 was always in a BRM as I recall. It had reliability problems but eventually won a race or two. Can't recall who drove it. Graham Hill??

That was in the 1.5 liter years. What's 1500cc's divided by 16? About 93 cc's per cylinder. Must have sucked a lot of horsepower just to keep all the internal parts moving.

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by cegerer

A patent drawing by Porsche's aerodynamicist in 1937.

pretty sure that was Mercedes's aerodynamicist in 1937, they were doing landspeed records..And Porsche worked for merc at the time as well.

[nota]

Originally Posted by smadsen

The H-16 was always in a BRM as I recall. It had reliability problems but eventually won a race or two. Can't recall who drove it. Graham Hill??

That was in the 1.5 liter years. What's 1500cc's divided by 16? About 93 cc's per cylinder. Must have sucked a lot of horsepower just to keep all the internal parts moving.

two 1500cc v8s parts when the 1500cc rules changed to 3 L in 66

CC did build a flat 16 but it was never raced in the 1500cc era too heavy

BRM DRIVERS WERE HILL AND JACKIE STEWART IN 66

but it never won in a BRM clark won the glen in a lotus with it in 66

[nota]

Originally Posted by pwd72s

A few weird ones in this collection...many from the early SCCA days of Portland (OR) International raceway....aka the streets of Vanport post flood.

Cliff Reuter Etceterini.com Period SCCA Sports Car Photos Ferrari GTO Maserati Birdcage Bandini

Anybody here who might have a clue about the cafe racer motorcyle in the background of the 4th pic?

honda ? looks like their logo on the tank and is a 4 stroke OHC and looks jap style
maybe 125 by the tyre size

[jamesnmlaw]

From Hot Rod magazine, September, 1971.

[beran earms]

Nice. In the fifth pic from the beginning I see a 928.

[herr_oberst]

I vaguely remember back in the seventies, one of the enthusiast magazines had a story on a guy that was going to revolutionize Can-Am racing using plywood for the monocoque instead of alu.

The usual mad scientist stuff; better strength to weight ratio, easier to build, easier to repair, cheaper. (The Spruce Goose was the template for the construction techniques)

Obviously nothing came from it, I tried to find an image of the prototype on the google machine, but the luck is against me.

(I did find a sports car with a wooden chassis called the Marco, but that's a different vee-HIC-ul.)

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by chrisamon

Huh???

There were no 1500 HP, 1.5 litre turbos in any CanAm (or "style") cars.

Now F1, on the other hand, had the BMW engine producing 1300(ish) HP on the dyno......not raceable though as it would "explode" in short order. It could put out 1100 for qualifying, and 900 for the races.
Many claim more, but i prefer not to exaggerate.

Might be thinking of the 1993 AAR Toyota Eagle MkIII turbocharged 2.1-liter 4-cylinder engine producing 800 horsepower. Ran in IMSA with P.J. Jones and Juan Manuel Fangio II. They swept the season uncontested and the last year of the series , also in '93. In qualifying set up the engine was north of 1000 HP.

Interestingly, while looking up Jones' rides, I discovered this passage,

"Another manufacturer had also attempted entry into the season. BMW attempted a factory GTP effort, based on a March 86G chassis. The M12/14 Straight Four had a massive turbocharger strapped to it, allowing for an estimated 1,400hp in qualifying boost. [1986]"

It was a one-failure wonder.

source

[chrisamon]

Originally Posted by nota

two 1500cc v8s parts when the 1500cc rules changed to 3 L in 66

CC did build a flat 16 but it was never raced in the 1500cc era too heavy

BRM DRIVERS WERE HILL AND JACKIE STEWART IN 66

but it never won in a BRM clark won the glen in a lotus with it in 66

Indeed Clark won it's only victory at The Glen, powering his Lotus 43 in 1966.
The two "V" 8 engines (that I find hard to call a "V" as they were 180 degree "V"s. as 180 is a "flat" line....as in Porsche's 180 degree "V6" (that I'll never call anything but a "flat 6".)
As I stated earlier, they were two flat 8 engines, with individual crankshafts powering a shared output shaft via gears as the drawing in the original post indicates. They produced good power (400-420 hp at 11,500 RPM. The sucka' could spin as the others were down around 10k RPM) but were unreliable (so many moving parts...) and two heavy.

[nota]

no the internal bits/parts came from the prior formula 1.5 v8
yes in the H they were not in a V but flat but were from the v8 design

[chrisamon]

Originally Posted by nota

no the internal bits/parts came from the prior formula 1.5 v8
yes in the H they were not in a V but flat but were from the v8 design

"No" what?

Agreed. The H configuration was two 180 degree V8s, stacked and driving the common output shaft. That's exactly what I stated.
I don't understand what you're disputing with this post....help me out here.....

Next, let's start a thread about the Porsche flat 16 (a 180 degree "V"8), that never came to fruition, that was to go in the CanAm 917.....

https://jalopnik.com/why-the-16-cylinder-is-the-most-mythic-tragic-engine-1788588431

P.S....Punctuation would be helpful in your posts.

[944 S2]

1992 Formula SAE Car. University of Washington. Body design by a younger me!

[chrisamon]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Might be thinking of the 1993 AAR Toyota Eagle MkIII turbocharged 2.1-liter 4-cylinder engine producing 800 horsepower. Ran in IMSA with P.J. Jones and Juan Manuel Fangio II. They swept the season uncontested and the last year of the series , also in '93. In qualifying set up the engine was north of 1000 HP.
[1986]"[/I]]

I was at the '93 Rolex 24, Miami, and Sebring rounds.
In the Rolex,while the Fangio/Wallace/Acheson engine broke at about 2/3 distance, a few hours from the end, the winning Jones/Dismore/Moran car sounded like it was running on 3 cylinders, was noticeably slower in a straight line and the Roush 'Tang was closing (but too many laps behind).

Also, they didn't "sweep" the season.....they "only" won 10 of the season's 11 races, not running at the Road America round (Joest 962s 1st & 2nd)......

[herr_oberst]

Those Toyotas were phenomenal, (they set faster lap times than the Indy Cars around Portland International the final year they were here) and the Electramotive Nissans that preceded them were equally outrageous in the hands of Geoff Brabham and John Morton.

Whatever happened to the good old days?

[Por_sha911]

Just another Saturday at Cars N Coffee?

[URY914]

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by chrisamon

Indeed Clark won it's only victory at The Glen, powering his Lotus 43 in 1966.
The two "V" 8 engines (that I find hard to call a "V" as they were 180 degree "V"s. as 180 is a "flat" line....as in Porsche's 180 degree "V6" (that I'll never call anything but a "flat 6".)

Porsche never made flat V4's V6'es or V8's.. they only made Boxer 4 6 and 8's
a Boxer 6 is naaaawt a V6 !!!
Completely different crankshaft design !!
Boxer 6


Simpler V6


They have on the other hand made Flat V12 engines for the 917.. those are naaaawt boxers !!!
Reason being, a V crank is much simpler in design and due to engine length and endurance requirements.. a V crank was simpler and better..


Basically the V engine has 1 crank journal per 2 opposing pistons
a Boxer has 2 crank journals per 2 opposing pistons

Big difference in movement

V engine

----1<< 3
2>> 4----

Next
1>>3----
----2<< 4

Boxer engine

----1<>3----
-2>------<4-

Next
-1>-------<3-
---- 2<>4----


You CAN make a V engine 180 degrees flat or 120 or 80 or 170 or whatever.. as long as there's enough V to keep opposing cylinders out of eachothers space.

But you CANNOT make a boxer work as anything except 180degrees,
because at 179 they would not be able to turn over, they would bind

[unclebilly]

Originally Posted by svandamme

Porsche never made flat V4's V6'es or V8's.. they only made Boxer 4 6 and 8's
a Boxer 6 is naaaawt a V6 !!!
Completely different crankshaft design !!

Ummmm, ever heard of a Porsche 928? That clearly had a V8.

Porsche Cayenne? Those have V6 or V8 engines.

Panamera? I think same as Cayenne but frankly who cares?

Machan? See Panamera...