Tolerance in Christianity

[911pcars]

Perhaps one question could be, "Are religious people more apt to follow what other religious people tell them to do?"

Sherwood

[Instrument 41]

I think its very difficult to cast the "tolerance issue" on an entire group. Some with in a group are going to be more or less than others in the group. As said earlier tolerance is a human issue not a religous issue, but since we are talking about Christians and their level of tolerance, I beleive that that the whole are being blamed as a result of few. If they have certain issues that are foundations to there doctrine, and someone or somthing flies in the face of that doctrine, then I would hope they would be intolerant. The rub here is those that are labeled intolerant need to have the ability to show others why they are oposed, in a civil and open minded method. ( Not open minded to change their mind or others, but open minded in having an intelligent discussion, and mayby in the end agreeing to disagree).
Why do people percieve Christans to be intolerant? I beleive becasue they know that what they say may have some truth and offends them, therefore its easy to pull "Intolerant" card than to confront the issue at hand and deal with said issue. In actuality I see much more intolerance with the more liberal minded poeple than with christians.

[curlesw]

It depends, in what context are using "tolerant". I would vote differently depending on how you use it.

Wayne C.

[911pcars]

".....I beleive because they know that what they say may have some truth and.."

Perhaps some people think they have the truth. IMHO, once you get to the point where you think you know the truth, other alternatives are not considered. I think the truth is something one should continually seek. As the saying goes, "the more you know, the less you know" (and vice-versa).

Wouldn't intolerance go hand-in-hand with having a closed mind?

"If they have certain issues that are foundations to there doctrine, and someone or something flies in the face of that doctrine, then I would hope they would be intolerant."

Good discussion,
Sherwood

[Instrument 41]

Great point Sherwood. Let me say that intolerance doesn't bother me, reguardless the issue. I see it as a necessary in soceity and i think it has its place. What if there was absolute tolerance for everything? There were no absolutes, no one had and courage of convictions, everything was ok for everybody?What a screwed up world this would be. I beleive that the struggle between 2 sides creates a middle ground, for which most of us live. Intolerance shows us the far left and the far right, and a lot of times for one to find the middle he must go to the extremes. Intolaerance is a lot like prejudice, not many like it but its part of human existance..and I feel it will always be.

[adrian jaye]

Originally posted by turbo6bar
don't pick on the guy, ya know, because, ya know, S.HI T HAPPENS.

ok doode

[stuartj]

Originally posted by Instrument 41
Great point Sherwood. Let me say that intolerance doesn't bother me, reguardless the issue. I see it as a necessary in soceity and i think it has its place. What if there was absolute tolerance for everything? There were no absolutes, no one had and courage of convictions, everything was ok for everybody?What a screwed up world this would be. I beleive that the struggle between 2 sides creates a middle ground, for which most of us live. Intolerance shows us the far left and the far right, and a lot of times for one to find the middle he must go to the extremes. Intolaerance is a lot like prejudice, not many like it but its part of human existance..and I feel it will always be.

There is a place for intolerence. Some opinions and beliefs do not deserve tolerance. There is no way, say, female circumcision should be tolerated on religous or cultural grounds. Or male circumcsion for that matter. Or slavery. Or child abuse. Or oppression.

The radical athiest takes the view that any religous belief belies a fundamental intellectual bankruptcy, and therefore he cannot tolerate a position predicated on a belief in the existence of a god.

Simple really. Very liberating.

[Mule]

Poorly designed question. It depends totally on the OTHER religion. Hindus & bhuddists are more tolerant, muslims much less.

[adrian jaye]

Originally posted by Mule
Poorly designed question. It depends totally on the OTHER religion. Hindus & bhuddists are more tolerant, muslims much less.

no it is not.

The question was "Tolerance in Christianity"

not "Tolerance in" hindus,muslims etc. it does not depend on the other religions.

Tolerance is Tolerance regardless. Why should it depend "totally" on other religions.

And from a POV of a Christian, (re-read my orginal post, also re-read my hit list of sayings)

There is also a reason for the question.

I've noticed anytime anything like religion is discussed here, the <><'s "appear" to be less tolerant, and the non <><'s or aethiests tend to be more tolerant.

I'm talking as a <>< myself

thankxs for playing

[IROC]

Originally posted by adrian jaye
I've noticed anytime anything like religion is discussed here, the <><'s "appear" to be less tolerant, and the non <><'s or aethiests tend to be more tolerant.

Perhaps this is because the non-believers don't have an emotional attachment to their lack of belief? I think this affords the non-believer the ability to see many competing viewpoints with more tolerance.

I used to share a cubicle with a guy who was a devout Christian. We got into several "discussions" on the errancy of the bible, the history of Christianity, etc. These always started out as rational, calm discussions, but ended up with him taking things personally (for no reason) and getting upset. I finally figured out that anything that challenged his beliefs was perceived as a personal attack. (he is still one of my best friends, BTW).

Mike

[skipdup]

Originally posted by IROC
Perhaps this is because the non-believers don't have an emotional attachment to their lack of belief? I think this affords the non-believer the ability to see many competing viewpoints with more tolerance.

Non-believers have just as much emotion attached to this as a believer. This "topic" draws emotion from EVERYONE, especially non-believers.

... These always started out as rational, calm discussions, but ended up with him taking things personally (for no reason) and getting upset. ...

Too many times these discussions end up with the non-believer telling the believer that they are simple minded and/or ignorant for their faith... maybe just not in so many words. Realizing that someone is basically calling me stupid can be enough to make me mad, even if it shouldn't... I am but a simple man.

- Skip

[Z-man]

Originally posted by Alfred1
Read was Jesus himself said in verse 17.

"... 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector...

And this is how Christ wants us to tread our enemies:

Jesus said in Matt 5:43-48
You have heard that is was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.
But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and he sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so?
Therefore, you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

Seems that tolerance and love has something to do with perfection.

When discussing Bible verses, it is always important to avoid taking things out of context. Alfred, I believe you often use verses in the Bible OUT OF CONTEXT to prove your point.

-Z-man.

[adrian jaye]

Originally posted by IROC
Perhaps this is because the non-believers don't have an emotional attachment to their lack of belief? I think this affords the non-believer the ability to see many competing viewpoints with more tolerance.

I used to share a cubicle with a guy who was a devout Christian. We got into several "discussions" on the errancy of the bible, the history of Christianity, etc. These always started out as rational, calm discussions, but ended up with him taking things personally (for no reason) and getting upset. I finally figured out that anything that challenged his beliefs was perceived as a personal attack. (he is still one of my best friends, BTW).

Mike

My sister can be a bit like that, she's a born again and well "dipped" <><

she sometimes can't see or appreciate my take on things as a logical human being, with <>< traits

[adrian jaye]

Originally posted by skipdup
Too many times these discussions end up with the non-believer telling the believer that they are simple minded and/or ignorant for their faith... maybe just not in so many words. Realizing that someone is basically calling me stupid can be enough to make me mad, even if it shouldn't... I am but a simple man. - Skip

I dont think anyone should do that.
Certainly on religious grounds.

Example, If I dont believe in worshipping a cow, I should not call the person who does "stupid" Theres nothing wrong with me saying why I think its wrong or that I must not be in a postion where I may do so.

But I must always respect other peoples views.

You can't win/convert people by belittling them, you do it with understanding, faith and the HS. People come to God in there own ways, or n ot as the case !

Again, logically thinking about it, who is to say that "I am right" and a muslim is not...

Mind you I said that to my Dad and I ducked for cover !

[adrian jaye]

Originally posted by Z-man
And this is how Christ wants us to tread our enemies:

Seems that tolerance and love has something to do with perfection.

When discussing Bible verses, it is always important to avoid taking things out of context. Alfred, I believe you often use verses in the Bible OUT OF CONTEXT to prove your point.

-Z-man.

AMEN Z,
as always the voice of reason.

BTW dont J.W's always do this. Some said you can take any 2 verses outta the bible outta context and make it anything you want.

[IROC]

Originally posted by skipdup
Non-believers have just as much emotion attached to this as a believer. This "topic" draws emotion from EVERYONE, especially non-believers.


Too many times these discussions end up with the non-believer telling the believer that they are simple minded and/or ignorant for their faith... maybe just not in so many words. Realizing that someone is basically calling me stupid can be enough to make me mad, even if it shouldn't... I am but a simple man.

- Skip

Well, it's simply been my experience that believers react emotionally to these issues far more often than non-believers. Just my own personal experience, though.

Also, I have no problem disagreeing with someone, but I always make a concerted effort to challenge the person's belief - not the person themselves. As an engineer, I love to argue, and I think part of the "art" of arguing is not making it personal.

Mike

[Moneyguy1]

Man created religion

God created faith

It always amazes me how so many in organized religion claim to know the mind of the Creator.

[stuartj]

Originally posted by adrian jaye
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Example, If I dont believe in worshipping a cow, I should not call the person who does "stupid" Theres nothing wrong with me saying why I think its wrong or that I must not be in a postion where I may do so.

But I must always respect other peoples views.

You can't win/convert people by belittling them, you do it with understanding, faith and the HS. People come to God in there own ways, or n ot as the case !

Again, logically thinking about it, who is to say that "I am right" and a muslim is not...

But should you, really? Worshipping a cow is, in fact, stupid.

Why should you respect the views of someone who worships a cow?

[IROC]

Originally posted by stuartj
But should you, really? Worshipping a cow is, in fact, stupid.

Why should you respect the views of someone who worships a cow?

Or Scientology. Some people will believe anything if its presented in the form of a "religion"...

Mike

[David McLaughlin]

It seams to me that anytime Christians talk about religion, nonbelievers jump in to tell them how wrong they are. On another Porsche board, I asked for ideas on creating a Christian car club. I was imediately jumped on for pushing my religion. I said nothing about my beliefs, but just the mention of Christianity brought out the wolves.

Personally, I don't care if others are Christians or not, but I don't like my family being subjected to non Christian values because society says it's ok. Take for example one of the fights in my area. homosexual propaganda is being pushed in school at the kindergarten level and if someone takes a stand, they get arrested. I don't want my kids reading that stuff.

I put a <>< on my car to signify to other Christians that I'm a believer. IMHO others put a fish with feet on their car not to identify with other evolutionists, but to try and show Christians they're wrong.

A toy magazing that I used toi subscribe to started publishing ads with half naked women. When I objected on their BBS, I was put down. Their argument was that not everything in the work needs to be rated G. Shoot, this is a magazing of TOYS!!! Radio Control Car Action is pushing Porn on kids. It all starts with soft porn and escelates.

Ok, rant done, Sorry about the typos and spelling. I just wanted to get my point out before bed.

Thanks for listening,