Rodeo, lets just do this.

[lendaddy]

Shaun,

Infact if you're not happy with that one pick another you like better and I will be nothing but professional in the discussion. I will ignore all others and just be polite and discuss that one point of yours.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally posted by lendaddy
You simply cannot be serious.

Fine lets pick up where we left off.

Shaun, What intel did Bush have that Congress did not?

"There's an old saying in Tennessee—I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee—that says, fool me once, shame on—shame on you. Fool me—you can't get fooled again."—Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002

But I'll play anyway Len. let me give a few Senators a call and ask them, do a little research on Fox, NYTimes, CNN, Newsmax, etc. and with any luck I'll have the exact intelligence briefings bush had that Congress did not.

In the meantime, let's go with: "I'll fire anyone involved in outing a CIA agent." Or would you like to continue with any of the 30 other bush lies on this thread?

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally posted by Tim Hancock
Shaun, answer Len's simple question.

Jesus Tim, give a guy a chance to type!

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally posted by lendaddy
Shaun,

Infact if you're not happy with that one pick another you like better and I will be nothing but professional in the discussion. I will ignore all others and just be polite and discuss that one point of yours.

See above.

[Rodeo]

Originally posted by lendaddy
You simply cannot be serious.

Fine lets pick up where we left off.

Shaun, What intel did Bush have that Congress did not?

We left off with you saying stuff like "you simply cannot be serious" and then asking people to go out and gather data for you ... so very good start.

Let's progress through your "debate"

Shaun: [gives answer to daddy's question]
daddy: "You're kidding, right?
Shaun: No I'm not kidding. Look at this data I found [insert here]
daddy: You liberals kill me! You really believe that?
Shaun: Yes, and here's some more evidence [insert here]
daddy: this is silly, I'm starting another "debate" thread
Mul: Way to get em' daddy!

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by Shaun 84 Targa


In the meantime, let's go with: "I'll fire anyone involved in outing a CIA agent."

Shaun, the above is not an actual quote so you shouldn't put quotation marks around it.

Anyway, you seem to think I'm claiming that Bush has never fibbed or lied in his life. I am not, he is human and worse than that a politician. I was addressing the liberal rant of "Bush lied to get us into war" sentiment and I challenged you (actually Rodeo) to back it up. Lets keep a focus.

[oldsam]

Originally posted by lendaddy
No, I pretty much ignored your cut and paste posts all together.

You ignored that which you did not, or could not answer, and then typically, slid to another topic to try and avoid them. That worked in the 3rd grade, but this is High School and class is still in session.

The false statements made are there for you to read. Sorry you can't refute them or be-little them. And you got no help from Mulhollanddose either. Trying to change the subject back to Clinton won't work. Stupid political cartoons won't help either.

Just refute the false statements, ie. lies which the original post asked for and lets move on down the road from there.

[Rodeo]

Originally posted by oldsam
You ignored that which you did not, or could not answer, and then typically, slid to another topic to try and avoid them. That worked in the 3rd grade, but this is High School and class is still in session.

The false statements made are there for you to read. Sorry you can't refute them or be-little them. And you got no help from Mulhollanddose either. Trying to change the subject back to Clinton won't work. Stupid political cartoons won't help either.

Just refute the false statements, ie. lies which the original post asked for and lets move on down the road from there.

Well-meaning, rational, moves the ball. Bravo.

But ....

It's not your fault that you are asking something not possible for the daddy. Took me a copule hundred posts to realize that.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally posted by lendaddy
Shaun, the above is not an actual quote so you shouldn't put quotation marks around it.

Anyway, you seem to think I'm claiming that Bush has never fibbed or lied in his life. I am not, he is human and worse than that a politician. I was addressing the liberal rant of "Bush lied to get us into war" sentiment and I challenged you (actually Rodeo) to back it up. Lets keep a focus.

Let's keep a focus. Here's your original post. Are you living up to it?

Originally posted by lendaddy
Give me your favorite Bush lie. I'm not being a jerk, I am serious. I have been aweful cynical lately and I admit that, but not here. I am seriously trying to understand your logic. You (and others) speak so matter-of-factly about Bushs "lies" so I just want one that we can hash out. So pick one of the many that you feel is obvious and I will give it an honest appraisal. This is your chance to see just how rational and fair I can be.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by Shaun 84 Targa
Let's keep a focus. Here's your original post. Are you living up to it?

Fair enough I was not clear. I'm sure Bush once told a chick he loved her to get a hummer

[Rodeo]

Originally posted by stevepaa
As opposed to:
Quotes from when Clinton committed troops to Bosnia:

"You can support the troops but not the president."
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

"Well, I just think it's a bad idea. What's going to happen is they're going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years."
--Joe Scarborough (R-FL)

"Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?"
--Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99

"[The] President . . . is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy."
--Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA)

"American foreign policy is now one huge big mystery. Simply put, the administration is trying to lead the world with a feel-good foreign policy."
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

"If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy."
--Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of George W Bush

"I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning . . I didn't think we had done enough in the diplomatic area."
--Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)

"I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our over-extended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today"
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
--Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)


Last December, on the eve of the House impeachment vote, President Clinton ordered air strikes on Iraq. The result is murky at best, the reasons unclear.
Each time the President has acted, charges of "wag the dog" have reverberated around the globe. Whether those charges are true or false is no longer material. What is material is that the President of the United States is not credible. He is not trusted. He cannot act in the best interest of America.

He has lost the moral mantle of leadership.

He has selfishly placed this nation in jeopardy.

It is precisely this kind of situation, I am convinced, that worried America's founding fathers as they devised the impeachment mechanism to remove a sitting president whose actions endangered the republic.

-Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS)


The President must remember that the military is a special instrument. It is lethal, and it is meant to be. It is not a civilian police force. It is not a political referee. And it is most certainly not designed to build a civilian society.
- Condoleeza Rice, Foreign Affairs, January/February 2000.
__________________
"Let me tell you what else I'm worried about: I'm worried about an opponent who uses nation building and the military in the same sentence. See, our view of the military is for our military to be properly prepared to fight and win war and, therefore, prevent war from happening in the first place."
~George W. Bush
November 6, 2000
Chattanooga, TN

This needs to be re-posted!

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally posted by lendaddy
Fair enough I was not clear. I'm sure Bush once told a chick he loved her to get a hummer

what a rip-off.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by Rodeo
This needs to be re-posted!

So does this...

[Mulhollanddose]

The battle against al qaeda was, soberly, billed as a lengthy war. Presently the most effective staging ground is in Iraq...If Bush had an "exit-strategy" (not needed with Kosovo obviously) it would not be wise to broadcast it to the enemy.

Democrats want us to lose the battle...It is Democrat play #1...create the problem (like they did with energy dependence) and once the problem is created they blame the Republicans (like they are doing with energy dependence)...Democrats are attempting to undermine the spirit of the country, the military and the President, not because it is just and right but because it ostensibly will produce their main objective, power.

[nostatic]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
First they go to the moderators and claim I said or did something that I didn't...Then they take their ball and go throw a tantrum, and then back to the same behavior that warranted the spanking in the first place.

oh really....interesting....not quite the messages I've gotten.

So why are old sam's evidence being ignored? Becuase they are cut and paste? No one wants to comment on them?

[CamB]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
The battle against al qaeda was, soberly, billed as a lengthy war. Presently the most effective staging ground is in Iraq...If Bush had an "exit-strategy" (not needed with Kosovo obviously) it would not be wise to broadcast it to the enemy.

Eh? Am I missing a subtlety?

"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
--Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)

Democrats want us to lose the battle...It is Democrat play #1... [...] ...Democrats are attempting to undermine the spirit of the country, the military and the President, not because it is just and right but because it ostensibly will produce their main objective, power.

While I don't doubt the Democrats want power, its not about "undermining" anything. They don't want to lose the battle either, they just think its gonna happen.

create the problem (like they did with energy dependence) and once the problem is created they blame the Republicans (like they are doing with energy dependence)

Freakin' topic drift. "like they did with energy dependence" - WTF are you on about?

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally posted by nostatic
oh really....interesting....not quite the messages I've gotten.

So why are old sam's evidence being ignored? Becuase they are cut and paste? No one wants to comment on them?

Todd, see above. Len "wasn't clear."

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by Shaun 84 Targa
Todd, see above. Len "wasn't clear."

Fine, pick one of those if you like. The fact that he dumped 30 cut and paste topics off some dem bs site turned me off. But if those are the "lies" that truely concern you guys I'll play along. Pick one OldSam I mean Todd

[stevepaa]

Mul, my quotes showed hypocrisy in relation to policy. Yours don't do that. All our politicians agreed Saddam was a bad leader and wanted to be stronger militarily. It is just the course of action taken that is debatable. Those quotes of democrats don't necessarily support war.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by nostatic
oh really....interesting....not quite the messages I've gotten.

What kind of messages have you gotten?