Rodeo, lets just do this.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by oldsam
I listed plenty of lies. Only answer was that Ldaddy can't be bothered to read cut and paste. That was truly a foolish response. NO one has addressed a single quote.

Mr. Bush made false statements, and there are plenty more documented to bring forth. I guess you are just going to ignore and hope they go away.

I read your posts and you simply did not. All he asked for was one specific lie (quote) where you could show proof. It sounds pretty simple to me is you know so many. Select only one lie (quote). The most clearly dishonest statement that Mr. Bush has made and then show the source. Next post the reason it is a lie, and source.

[Rodeo]

Originally posted by oldsam
NO one has addressed a single quote.

Welcome to the debate, or I guess the reason there is no true debate.

One side want to address issues, the other scorns such things as wimpy intellectual exercises.

Critical thought is the enemy, the gut is where decisions should be made. Once you commit to the gut, facts become mere obstacles made up or dismissed to suit your needs. The gut, that's where it's at.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally posted by fintstone
As always, you are in character. As soon as you know you are beat....you start the name calling.

If the President had lied...it would be easy to prove. Much as it was with the last President who lied under oath. He was caught and impeached. The left is just trying to make people believe that lying is not restricted to Democratic Presidents ...

Really? East to prove? And how much money did we spend trying to bring down Clinton on really serious s__t like Whitewater (that he was more than likely guilty of) and the best that the right could do was get him censured, not impeached, censured, for "fibbing" (I'm sure he's as scared of Hillary as the rest of us, can you blame him?) about getting a bj from an intern.

Good night, goin to bed but I'll leave you with this.

Oh, Go Hillary in 08.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by stomachmonkey
Really? East to prove? And how much money did we spend trying to bring down Clinton on really serious s__t like Whitewater (that he was more than likely guilty of) and the best that the right could do was get him censured, not impeached, censured, for "fibbing" about getting a bj from an intern.

Good night, goin to bed but I'll leave you with this.

And that folks is why you shouldn't post while drunk. We can all learn a lesson from the monkey. Thank you monkey.

Pssst, monkey....He was impeached. Edit man, edit!!!!!!!!!!

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally posted by Capt. Carrera
Actually, not all politicians were all sold on WWII. Some went begrudgingly. What set WWII apart is FDR had much, much, tighter reins over the media than has occurred in subsequent military operations.

Please list these politicians, their position in government and their political life during and after the war. TIA for proving my point.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally posted by Tim Hancock
Bingo!

Don't cum too fast Tim, the Cap'n has some work to do.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by Rodeo
Welcome to the debate, or I guess the reason there is no true debate.

One side want to address issues, the other scorns such things as wimpy intellectual exercises.

..

And the issues that they want to discuss are "quotes" that they make up themselves.

I guess that is the only way they could even hope to win a debate.

[pa911]

The size of the lie is a definite factor in causing it to be believed,for the vast masses of a nation are in the depths of their hearts more easily deceived than they are consciously and intentionally bad. The primitive simplicity of their minds renders them a more easy prey to a big lie than a small one, for they themselves often tell little lies, but would be ashamed to tell big lies....Geublers,Minister for Adolf Hitler.

[stevepaa]

Originally posted by fintstone
If the President had lied...it would be easy to prove. Much as it was with the last President who lied under oath. He was caught and impeached.

And acquitted.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by stevepaa
And acquitted.

Only because the DNC circled the wagons and violated their "oath of impartial justice."...Their (DNC Senators) criminal complicity is clearly demonstrated by the subsequent penalties and disbar of Clinton for "obstructing the judicial process."

When Nixon did far less his party told him to step down...When Clinton did far more his party launched a full-court obstruction of justice and assault on the Constitution.

[fintstone]

Yes, he was impeached. He was able to plea bargain his way out of jail. He was banned from practicing law, assessed a $90,000 fine for contempt of court and settled his sexual harassment lawsuit out of court for $850,000. All in all, a pretty sleazy performance. IMHO, the only thing that saved him were the confidential FBI records that he had on the folks that he needed to acquit him.

[stevepaa]

half truths again. You guys want to have strict definition of lie, then abide by it.

nigh impossible for mul

[fintstone]

Originally posted by stevepaa
half truths again. You guys want to have strict definition of lie, then abide by it.

nigh impossible for mul

If you are referring to my post, please point it out.

[stevepaa]

Fint,
From what I could find, your last was mostly factual. He has a 5 year suspension on practicing law and cannot ever practice at Supreme Court.

The use of the term "lie" has strict standards. Most people don't lie. They evade, mislead, misstate and deflect. Just think back on your own childhood and what your children tell you. Are you always forthright with the whole truth?

Nixon's crew lied, were criminally convicted and served time
Reagen misstated and deflected.
Bush sr comment of "read my lips, no new taxes" might be construed as a broken promise. But he basically called it as he saw it.

Clinton evaded and misled. ( and, no, I don't like his personal morals, but we answer to God on that)

Bush makes statements that he has to revise. I think he is a basically honest guy who gets trapped assuming some of his people are as honest. I dislike his policies. And I think the intelligence that gets to him is filtered and tuned and that he did have an agenda wrt Iraq when he took office.

The only one I think came close to lying on TV so far is Rumsfeld when he said he knew where the WMD were. The use of the term "knew" implies absolute certainty with confirmation. He quickly caught himself and continued on to say the WMD were in Tikrit and all the areas around there. He watered down the certainty of his knowledge. He restated himself quickly, IMO, because he knew he didn't really "know" where they were.

So, the term "lie" has been grossly enlarged to mean broken promises, restatements, etc

Now mul uses the term in the broader sense in most of his posts as do many presidential detractors on both sides.

[DaveE]

Originally posted by stevepaa
As opposed to:
Quotes from when Clinton committed troops to Bosnia:

"You can support the troops but not the president."
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

"Well, I just think it's a bad idea. What's going to happen is they're going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years."
--Joe Scarborough (R-FL)

"Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?"
--Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99

"[The] President . . . is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy."
--Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA)

"American foreign policy is now one huge big mystery. Simply put, the administration is trying to lead the world with a feel-good foreign policy."
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

"If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy."
--Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of George W Bush

"I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning . . I didn't think we had done enough in the diplomatic area."
--Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)

"I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our over-extended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today"
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
--Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)


Last December, on the eve of the House impeachment vote, President Clinton ordered air strikes on Iraq. The result is murky at best, the reasons unclear.
Each time the President has acted, charges of "wag the dog" have reverberated around the globe. Whether those charges are true or false is no longer material. What is material is that the President of the United States is not credible. He is not trusted. He cannot act in the best interest of America.

He has lost the moral mantle of leadership.

He has selfishly placed this nation in jeopardy.

It is precisely this kind of situation, I am convinced, that worried America's founding fathers as they devised the impeachment mechanism to remove a sitting president whose actions endangered the republic.

-Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS)


The President must remember that the military is a special instrument. It is lethal, and it is meant to be. It is not a civilian police force. It is not a political referee. And it is most certainly not designed to build a civilian society.
- Condoleeza Rice, Foreign Affairs, January/February 2000.
__________________
"Let me tell you what else I'm worried about: I'm worried about an opponent who uses nation building and the military in the same sentence. See, our view of the military is for our military to be properly prepared to fight and win war and, therefore, prevent war from happening in the first place."
~George W. Bush
November 6, 2000
Chattanooga, TN

One more time.

[fintstone]

Still not one verifiable Bush lie? Anyone?

[Rodeo]

Um, well ... let's see. You will not concede that there are no WMDs in Iraq, nor will you concede that Saddam and Al Queda had no operational ties, yet you want to debate someone on pre-war intelligence lies?

Have you ever heard the term "fool's errand?"

[Tim Hancock]

Originally posted by Rodeo


Have you ever heard the term "fool's errand?"

I do not believe I have heard that term but after hearing no evidence yet in this post that Bush ACTUALLY LIED about Iraq prewar intell, I think I canspot a fool!

[fintstone]

No kidding! About half the folks who post here claim that turbo tie rods make 100% difference in a 911's handling. The other half claim no difference. Does that make half of the Pelicans liars?

Still no actual quotes that you can prove are lies? Looks like we know who the liars really are.

[stevepaa]

Originally posted by fintstone
The left is just trying to make people believe that lying is not restricted to Democratic Presidents ...

Already proven: The biggest group of proven liars so far has been Nixon and his crew.