I though Texas was smarter than this...

[gaijindabe]

Originally posted by asphaltgambler
In Va the limit is .08% blood alcohol content. If you are in a bar and it's open to the public you are (a stretch here) in public. You could be arrested if your are over the limit!!

You mean the legal limit for public intoxication (or whatever) is .08%?? Does VA inforce the legal limit for drivers against walkers or passengers?

[asphaltgambler]

The limit is what it is regardless of driving, walking, standing.....very tough state

[deathpunk dan]

Originally posted by JanusCole
That is exactly my point. Pot and cocaine are illegal because people who consume them might do bad things while under the influence - not because they already have. The case in Texas is based on an eerily similar argument.

Now, I don't smoke pot or do coke, but what bad things do potheads do under the influence except for eat junk food, listen to bad music, and fall asleep?

[gaijindabe]

Originally posted by asphaltgambler
The limit is what it is regardless of driving, walking, standing.....very tough state

Tough? That is idiotic. So the whole "designated driver" thing is out the window too? Can you be arrested for driving someone home as a "co-conspirator"?

Would love to haul a few politicians and judges in on a citizens arrest.

[jjwood]

No wonder we have so many lawyers. Dumb efforts like this will require many of us to defend ourselves (needlessly) in front of the judge. Surely there will be many cases requiring a good legal defense attny. The upside for Porsche (and BMW) ... a spike in new Porsche sales as a large goup of succesful litigators make their way down to the local dealer and pop for a new Porsche (or BMW).

This is about the dumbest thing I've seen in this state. Good intentions...bad idea.

[legion]

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by jkarolyi
>Darwin at work. Leave 'em alone...

LOL Seriously though, this is ridiculous! I can support staking out bars looking for drunk people GETTING INTO THEIR CARS, but for crying out loud!

Oh no, its much worse than this. The assjerks were going into HOTEL bars and finding patrons who had not intended on driving. They were drinking and going to WALK to their rooms but were instead busted by the cops for drinking and walking! They even arrested the bartender and took her away.

This is pure BS and hope that the idiot DA or police chief who told them to do this is busted for it. I can see the lawsuits now and hope they pay dearly for it.

Joe A

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by LubeMaster77
Its the democrats trying to make a name for civic responcibility - they have been making a run at various seats - also, the S. Baptists are a strong right with clout - a few things going on plus there seems to be a large amount of drunk drivers killing families. It all adds up a very aggresive no nonsense attack on drunk drivers. Unfortunitly it does inpact civil liberties.

Mike hits on something here. I used to live in the DFW area. There are a lot of people there who are against drinking, any drinking at all.

There are even church's there who have their name on it and in the lower corner an image of a cocktail glass and a red X over it. In other words, if you drink you are not welcome at their church. Guess they forget that Jesus drank wine...

[Wrecked944]

Originally posted by deathpunk dan
Now, I don't smoke pot or do coke, but what bad things do potheads do under the influence except for eat junk food, listen to bad music, and fall asleep?

I haven't the slightest idea. It is probably a question for your local legislator. AFAIK, the pot legalization dudes claim it was all a conspiracy perpetrated by the liquor and oil lobbies to criminalize the competition in the 1930's.

[efhughes3]

Well here's the latest from ol' Tejas....

The Dallas Convention Bureau has rec'd some complaints from convention organizers as the national media attention now has people spooked.

Who wants to go to a convention, meet up in the hotel lobby bar for drinks, and end up in a "hotel" with bars on the windows?

It's funny how this stuff all comes around...

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by deathpunk dan
Now, I don't smoke pot or do coke, but what bad things do potheads do under the influence except for eat junk food, listen to bad music, and fall asleep?

Lets see, its been years since I sampled anything like the above but might remember a bit about it.

Pot gives you the munchies. You will eat almost anything in sight, but nachos, twinkies, donuts etc are preferred. Then you sit there and watch television for hours...

Blow makes most people horny. You want to screw just about anything, the dog/cat included (but they are too fast) or almost anything at hand. Baring that I have heard of people painting the entire house in a half hour, waxing the car (down to the bare metal) or vacuuming the house several times.

Booze is by far the most destructive (as long as meth is not thrown into the mix) of almost any drug. Its legal, available and socially acceptable in most places.

Ed's comment is right on from where I sit. If this is allowed to continue then conventions and meetings will change their schedule and go to a friendlier city. I can agree with keeping drunks out of cars but targeting hotels where guests are walking to their rooms and not causing trouble is going to screw the Police and DA.

[sammyg2]

Joe, I have to strongly disagree.

IMO, "blow" is far more destructive than booze.
I have watched several lives go down the proverbial toilet because of that stuff. I know lots of people who drink alcohol and still function as a part of society. I don't know anyone who does blow who has not suffered greatly because of it.

[deathpunk dan]

Yeah I have friends and bandmates who've gotten in over their heads with cocaine. It destroyes friendships and lives.

Blow is rough.

Booze, I can handle.

[Joeaksa]

Compare the numbers guys. We lose far more people in this country due to booze than we ever will to cocaine. If its ever legalized, then that will probably change. Both of you guys know someone who could not handle it, and hurt their lives and family due to blow, but I am sure that you also know others who have done the same due to booze. You can buy booze on almost every street corner...

I as well have known several people whose lives have been ruined, or close to it by coke. The fact that its illegal helps keep the numbers down.

You want to talk about deadly and what really ruins people is meth. Worst thing I have ever seen and it destroys almost everyone it comes in contact with. People can be a social user of pot, coke or booze and remain productive. Meth users almost always die within 5 years and take everyone in their lives down with them.

As well by far the next thing is cigarettes. We could lose a jumbo jet every week full of people and it would come close to the numbers killed each year due to cigarettes. Its well over 50,000 people a year, and thats the number killed in over 10 years of war in Vietnam, yet we still see people every day smoking. Its a very simple drug delivery system, giving nicotine to the user with every puff. Problem is we know its deadly and addictive but people are too used to it.

[RANDY P]

yayo (blow) gives you motor mouth.

That's enough reason not to use it.

rjp