Jesus was

[IROC]

I like Feynman. He brought me some happiness when I read his book, "Surely You're Joking, Mr Feynman" years ago. He really is a brilliant guy.

"Those like Feynman" were the ones warning that New Orleans was an accident waiting to happen. They attempted to help the "helpless" before Katrina. They are also the ones redesigning the levee systems and other infrastructure to save lives in the future. I think that is just as important as "helping the downtrodded" in a reactive manner after "acts of god" occur.

Something like 93% of all of the scientists in the National Academy of Sciences do not believe in god. I'm sure we can denigrate them also in this thread.

Mike

[trekkor]

Far many, science is their god.

The more they "accomplish", the more they worship themselves.
( kinda funny because all of their observations are based on what they see in creation. Something they really can't explain. )

Not all scientists...Some.


KT

[adrian jaye]

Originally posted by Porsche-O-Phile
I seriously doubt he ever intended to found a religion - more like set an example of a way to live. And yes, there's a difference. Institutionalized religion exists for its own (normally secular) motives and for control. Personal spirituality is more of what Jesus was getting at - at least that's the way I read it.

fraid not,

1> Christ came to save not too found a religion.
On being saved you have or "should" have a personal relationship with Christ, which is independant of "any" religion.
The "church" is not a building but it is the people.

"For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them." Matthew 18

People get so wrapped up with what "men" albeit spirutal leaders say or interpret, they often ignore what Christ actually said.

And you are bang on the money about "Institutionalized religion"

However you are wrong about personal spirituality, Christ did not get at that, a personal sprituality depends on "yourself" and your own moraility, your good deeds, how you live etc.

But Christ said, that to be saved you can not do this by good deeds, or being born a Christian or having a Pastor as your father for example.

The only way is to accept that Christ died to save you, period. This is a long shot from personal spirulatity or trying to live a "good life"

although when you become a Chsitian, it follows you want to "fo the right thing", but you cant do it the other way round, you can't earn your way into heaven by good deeds...

Of course this depends on wethere you belive that Jesus Christ was who he said he was !

Anyway

Peace out

Adrian <><

[adrian jaye]

Originally posted by trekkor
Without the ransom sacrafice of Jesus man would continue on with no hope. Life would just be a cycle of death.
The ransom make available to mankind the opportunity to live forever the way God had intended in the Garden.

KT [/B]

exactly !