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pwd72s · 10-22-2006, 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by alf
It is not the school's responsibility to teach my children Morality, Virtues and Values. That is my FAMILY's responsibility to do so.

This is EXACTLY my objection to the so-called "values clarification" programming/indoctrination. Through this, they ARE teaching a values system. Better keep your eyes open, because the values being taught may not be values you agree with. Want a small example? Keep in mind my daughter graduated High Screwall in 1988. Some years earlier than that there was a TV movie broadcast about teen suicide. We read the reviews, decided that this movie was off limits to our TV. The very next week, the script to this show was used in our daughter's "language arts" class, she assigned to write an essay, explain what she thought the "message" of this show is. Some social engineering at work here? You bet your Donkey. Does this engineering go against the values we wished to instill in our daughter? You betcha!

nostatic · nostatic's Garage

Why was the movie "off limits"? By the time my son is in high school, I can't anticipate very much media that would be banned in the house. By that time he hopefully has absorbed some of my moral compass, and is also finding his own way. And frankly, I'd be happy to have him being asked to do critical analysis of a script. What is the difference between that and a play? Some of Shakespeare's stuff was pretty disturbing.

But we obviously have different views on this...

bt1211 · 10-22-2006, 11:23 AM

Because if someone reads about suicide you know that means that they are going to try it.

You know how wacky those teens can be.

pwd72s · 10-22-2006, 11:25 AM

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Originally posted by nostatic
Why was the movie "off limits"? By the time my son is in high school, I can't anticipate very much media that would be banned in the house. By that time he hopefully has absorbed some of my moral compass, and is also finding his own way. And frankly, I'd be happy to have him being asked to do critical analysis of a script. What is the difference between that and a play? Some of Shakespeare's stuff was pretty disturbing.

But we obviously have different views on this...

Again, my point. You have the right to instill YOUR values in your children. Or at least try to. It's NOT the school's job to do so.
How about a "language arts" class requesting that a student describe how the family dealt with the death of a member? This is the school's business? "Language arts"??? What the hell ever happened to English? I'm sorry, but your claim that no mind games are played in the Government schools is ludicrous..Too many parents know better.

widgeon13 · 10-22-2006, 11:36 AM

i believe you both have valid points. I think the school has the opportunity to broaden the student's experience and the parents have the responsibility to evaluate what topics the students are covering. These parameters are not always the same.

Like teaching second graders about birth control and STD's. Most parents would disapprove of this but yet it is done in some schools.

sammyg2 · 10-22-2006, 11:58 AM

When I was in high school in Kalifornia, an english teacher who happened to be from Massachusetts was teaching her class that voting democrat, supporting public programs, and doing what w can to take money away from big business and give it to the working man was our moral responsibility.
I was pissed but ignored her. The next day she spewed the same garbage and I went off, telling her what I thought of her screwed up morals and abuse of power. She kicked me out of her class nad the vice-principal was talking about expulsion.
My father showed up and had a good long talk with these morons.
I was re-instated with a written appology from the english teacher.

When my daughter was in 1st grade, she came home and asked me if I had a gun. I said yes, but they are locked away and she should never touch them unless I am there showing her how to handle them safely. he said that I have to get rid of all my guns.
Huh? Why did you say that? Her teacher told all the students in the class
to go home and tell their parents to get rid of all guns.
I went to school, the teacher was reprimanded, the next year my kids were in private shcool.

Don't tell me that some public teachers don't use their position as an educator to advance their own personal political agenda.
Religion is taboo but they can brainwash the little kids with whatever they want to say. I for one do not feel comfortable trusting a public school teacher to decide what version of morality my kids are taught.
Many of them are nothing more than part time employed losers.
If you can't do, teach.

nostatic · nostatic's Garage

I've never claimed that all teachers are perfect and unbaised. Teachers are human. And you CANNOT teach without some sort of bias. This nonsense about "when I was young we just got the three r's..." is a load. You were getting plenty of bias, you just didn't realize it, or it agreed with your (or more accurately, your parent's) world view.

Most teachers do a very good job of staying balanced. Some don't. But it is unfair to hold up the exceptions and denigrate the entire system. And frankly, if more parents did a better job of parenting, the schools wouldn't need to teach some of the stuff they do (like sex ed). But parents don't. So the schools have little choice but to take up the slack. To ignore the issue is worse imho.

And in the end, I'd rather my son be exposed to different viewpoints than he gets at home. I don't want a clone of myself. I want a thinking individual.

nostatic · nostatic's Garage

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Originally posted by sammyg2

Many of them are nothing more than part time employed losers.
If you can't do, teach.

One of the more offensive things I've read on this board, and pretty much indicates how you feel about the subject. No one could live up to your expectations given your hatred of teachers. Well, unless they parroted your world-view chapter and verse.

If you can do, you should teach. Easy to denigrate the profession and the people. Hard to put your money where your mouth is...

bt1211 · 10-22-2006, 12:41 PM

Yea, thats right up there with another classic about not funding libraries.

widgeon13 · 01:24 PM

I have seen (been exposed) to good and not so good teachers but I think it demonstrates a high level of ignorance to generalize that (some) teachers are stupid.

Teaching is a thankless job that in most school systems requires a masters degree and starting salary is marginal at best. I wish we had a system that held the administration more accountable for the material taught in our schools and had the teeth to remove those teachers who are truly doing a poor job at their profession. There are many high quality teachers who have chosen this career, I'm sure that had they chosen another career they might very well be making more money. But then again, money is not everything.

As has been stated many time before on this BB, there are good ________'s and there are bad _______'s, no system is perfect.

coloradoporsche · 10-22-2006, 03:51 PM

As long as there are algebra tests, there will be prayer in schools.

Jim Richards · 10-22-2006, 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by coloradoporsche
As long as there are algebra tests, there will be prayer in schools.

pwd72s · 10-22-2006, 11:50 PM

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Originally posted by sammyg2

I went to school, the teacher was reprimanded, the next year my kids were in private shcool.

Bravo! You did the right thing by your children. There are reasons why home schooling & private schools are growing by leaps and bounds. We've only written about the tip of the iceburg here. Interested parties may begin by researching the National Education Association. Sadly, many voters still believe this to be a benign group interested in education.