Dead man walking...

[Joe Bob]

They shoulda just shot his ass BEFORE they dragged him outta the hole....

[Eric-325I]

Originally posted by Porsche-O-Phile
I've got some oceanfront property in Nevada to sell you. Cripes, with the way you're buying the revisionist rationalizations for the war in Iraq, I get the feeling you'd go for it too. Stop being so gullible. Let's look at the chronological history of the "reasons" for the invasion, shall we?

1. WMDs!!! Oh my god!!! The sky is falling!!! Our brilliant leader gets up there and says (and I quote), "Iraq represents a grave and gathering danger" to the U.S. and western interests. An "imminent threat" (without methods of delivery or WMD warheads, but that's not important, right? We'll just make it up in some "intelligence" reports to justify our actions). Still nothing found to date except some overlooked, mostly inert artillery shells the Iraqi army commanders probably didn't even realize they still had. No mobile anthrax labs. No nuclear reactors. No plutonium bombs. Nothin'. A few aging Soviet-era anti-aircraft radar batteries that were used mostly to torment aircraft in the "no fly" zones (and when they flipped 'em on, it usually resulted in a HARM being launched down their throats, so they were largely just a nuisance anyway - it was suicide to actually use them in an aggressive manner). When it started to become clear that there WERE no WMDs (for me it was when U.S. troops closed to within 20 miles of Baghdad - if Iraq had 'em they'd have used 'em then), the Administration switched its focus to:

2. LINK TO AL-QAEDA!!! Yes! Saddam Hussein is really OBL's long-lost cousin! He's in secret meetings with the operators of anti-western terrorist camps daily! He's harboring the next wave of suicide hijackers in one of his palaces! He's a Muslim extremist (he's not, he's actually not a religious guy at all, but don't let facts get in the way of a good story here. . .) Of course the 9/11 Commission (and fortunately most of the American people) realized that this was a steaming pile of propagandist poo-poo also. So, undaunted, Bush and Co. whipped out:

3. LIBERATION OF THE IRAQI PEOPLE!!! Yea! That's it! That's the REAL reason we went there! For the Iraqi populace! We're working on winning their "hearts and minds" (and oil, but just forget about that - it's not important). . . These poor misunderstood people really love each other and want nothing more than to hold hands and sing koombyaa and roast s'mores together over campfires and embrace our superior western values. Yep. We decided it was a humanitarian effort and those poor western-lovin' people had suffered under Hussein long enough (just don't mention Darfur, okay?) Of course most people didn't buy that either, so the Bush spin machine invented:

4. THE MARCH OF DEMOCRACY!!! Yes! Nothing else is working, so we'll go back to the excuse that was used to justify the American presence in Vietnam for such a long time. Yea - we're promoting the march of democracy in the region! It's the big picture folks. Really! We went there to sow the seeds of democracy and let the Iraqis govern themselves! 'Cause that's our purpose in the world - helping to build stronger independent nations. But we don't believe in "nation building". Nope. That's. . . um. . . different. . . somehow. Just forget about that. . . "FREEDOM IS ON THE MARCH!!! RAH!!! RAH!!! RAH!!!". Which brings us to today:

5. IRAQI SELF-GOVERNMENT!!! Well, kind of a hybrid of #3 and #4 - now we claim that we're really there to "help" the Iraqi government get up to speed with the task of governing the country (which we destroyed the infrastructure of, but that's not important either). We're really just big fuzzy-wuzzy teddy bears that wanna' give the poor widdle Iraqi interim government leaders huggy-wuggies and make sure they don't have any hard times. 'cause this whole thing was really about getting the Iraqis to govern themselves from the beginning. We had no intention of going in there to set up a puppet government and putting semi-permanent military bases in as a check against Iran or Syria at the request of the Israelis now, did we? Oil? Pshaw. "War for oil" is a mantra recited by anti-patriotic leftist pinko commies! Of course it is, silly! There's no need for OIL out of Iraq! We want THEM to have their OWN oil and to support themselves in a democratic way! Of course! That's what we meant to say from the beginning. . .



C'mon dude. Is your memory THAT short? This thing has stunk of bull**** from the get-go. And it wasn't that long ago. We had no business there other than we wanted a permanent presence in the M.E. to hang a "sword of Damocles" over the heads of the Iranians and Syrians (probably at the beckon call of Israel) and as a side- benefit to (1) avenge the assassination plot against daddy and (2) to pay back my oil buddies for getting me elected.

LET'S GET F*CKING REAL HERE!!!

Money. Politics. Period. That's the reason and the explaination for 99% of what goes on in the world. Cripes!

I use the qoute above as an example of the many similiar opinions expressed here and elsewhere, not to single out the writer...

I have to wonder if the same sentiment was expressed when Clinton and the Democratic machine were carpet bombing eastern Europe back to the stone age??? They targeted everything from bridges and runways to water treatment plants and factories. Of course, at the time the press gave him a pass for the most part... What about Clinton, the UN, and the world completely abandoning the people's of Rwuanda?

I have found that most (not all!) liberals and Democrats have a moral compass that seems to swing a little... Depending on... (fill in the blank)...

Anyone care to share their sentiment regarding that little war?

[fintstone]

Another triumph for the American people and all mankind...brought to you by GW, Cheney, and Rumsfeld....and the US military.

[dd74]

Luminaries on CNN are all but saying Saddam's execution is not a victory for Bush or America...

Hmmm...

[fintstone]

Originally posted by dd74
Luminaries on CNN are all but saying Saddam's execution is not a victory for Bush or America...

Hmmm...

That verifies that it is truly a great day for both.

[dd74]

Originally posted by fintstone
That verifies that it is truly a great day for both.

Yeah? Care to comment here?
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?threadid=322242

[Porsche-O-Phile]

It's neither a victory nor a defeat. It's incidental. So he died. Big deal. We still never have and still don't have any business being there.

[Dottore]

Originally posted by Eric-325I


I have to wonder if the same sentiment was expressed when Clinton and the Democratic machine were carpet bombing eastern Europe back to the stone age???

It's truly astonishing to non-Americans how incredibly and consistently stupid - albeit well-intentioned - so many many US foreign policy initiatives have been. The history of the last century is littered with them.

Stupid - albeit well-intentioned. Sort of sums it up.

[Sonic dB]

Somewhere in Hell...Nixon just walked past Saddam and waived a piece of paper mocking "ha ha, I got a pardon and you didnt"

[fastpat]

Originally posted by mikez
They shoulda just shot his ass BEFORE they dragged him outta the hole....

So, the US Army should have murdered Hussein like they did his sons?

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Sonic dB
Somewhere in Hell...Nixon just walked past Saddam and waived a piece of paper mocking "ha ha, I got a pardon and you didnt"

They'll both be waiting on George W. to arrive, wonder what they'll say to him?

[Joe Bob]

Originally posted by fastpat
So, the US Army should have murdered Hussein like they did his sons?

Did I ******* stutter?

[island911]

Originally posted by mikez
Did I ******* stutter?

LMAO +1

[dtw]

Originally posted by mikez
Did I ******* stutter?

I actually choked and sputtered. Seriously. Well done and cheers, and hope you're as many sheets in as I am.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by mikez
Did I ******* stutter?

No, but I wanted you to make it clear to everyone just how much like Hussein you are, and you succeeded brilliantly.

Thanks!

[k9handler]

ha ha Mike, that's **** is funny I don't care who you are.

[m21sniper]

Originally posted by gassy
"but c'mon, in the grand scheme of things, 100 years from now, Iraq will be a mere historical footnote,"

Bet that makes the 3000+ families feel much better.

They'll be dead in 100 years too. We're all doomed one way or another. Not a one of us is likely to still be around in 2106. Those 3000 troops will be as abstract as the crew of the USS maine, (accidentally) blown up in Havanna harbor, thereby sparking the start of the Spanish-American War. Hell, at least there will be a plaque/monument with their names on it, otherwise they'd be totally forgotten- like most of us here will be.

[island911]

Originally posted by fastpat
No, but I wanted you to make it clear to everyone just how much like Hussein you are, and you succeeded brilliantly.

Thanks!

Patsy... .all these reationary posts -- you really got your cage rattled, with Saddams execution.

If it makes you feel any better, I read here, in OT, that Saddam wanted to be hanged.

[rotorhead]

Gentlemen, a few years back when I was working in the Middle East I helped thwart a plot on a Canadian CANDU nuclear reactor. This was an advanced stage operation that was designed to create a Cherybnobl style effect in a Canadian nuclear power plant.

Irrespective of the chain of events that lead to commencement of this war on terror, the job should be finished and not left incomplete. To not do so places millions of North Americans at continued risk.

I am not an American yet I see the unttennable position your President has been in. To do nothing was to continue to allow innocent Americans to be killed around the world and at home (Dharan bombings, Nigeria Bombings, USS Cole etc).

There was no question about America having to act to protect its citizens, only the timing and the degree was in issue. Most of the dissenting opinions so far have implied that the USA went too far too early... but that is a very tough call to make without access to quality information.

[Joe Bob]

Originally posted by island911
Patsy... .all these reationary posts -- you really got your cage rattled, with Saddams execution.

If it makes you feel any better, I read here, in OT, that Saddam wanted to be hanged.

Naw it was Arabic/English translational error....he wanted to be "hung".....ya know like John Holmes...