Darrent Williams

[Racerbvd]

Originally posted by LakeCleElum
You stay out of certain parts of town after a certain hour. Some of us that used to work together had a favorite saying:

It's hard to find a good victim after midnight....

Or you avoid them altogether

[Rick Lee]

True. If I have to go somewhere I'd never otherwise go without a gun, I just don't go there. I've been pulled over by police three times while carrying and once racked the slide back on a .45 and put it back under my shirt in front of a group of state troopers having a smoke and for some crazy reason, none of them ever bothered me about it. One of those times, the cop actually ran my permit through the computer and gave me a ticket for the loud muffler on my SC. But cops know who the bad guys are and no matter how heavily armed I am, they always seem to leave me alone or at most, want to chat about guns.

[k9handler]

Originally posted by LakeCleElum
You stay out of certain parts of town after a certain hour. Some of us that used to work together had a favorite saying:

It's hard to find a good victim after midnight....

Not on New Years Eve...everyone is up and about.

[Schrup]

Originally posted by Rick Lee
I've been pulled over by police three times while carrying and once racked the slide back on a .45 and put it back under my shirt in front of a group of state troopers having a smoke and for some crazy reason, none of them ever bothered me about it.

What would posses you to chamber a round in front of cops? The only time I've been compelled to chamber a round was when the jackals were moving in. They never saw the weapon, but probable heard it, because they backed off. BTW, both times this has happened to me, I was walking to the car from the club in the wee hours of the morning. I don't go out after 10pm or to clubs anymore.

[Rick Lee]

Originally posted by Schrup
What would posses you to chamber a round in front of cops? The only time I've been compelled to chamber a round was when the jackals were moving in. They never saw the weapon, but probable heard it, because they backed off. BTW, both times this has happened to me, I was walking to the car from the club in the wee hours of the morning. I don't go out after 10pm or to clubs anymore.

I was walking out of a gun show, where they make you keep your weapons unloaded and even put a zip tie through the barrel. I walked out of the show and on the way to my car, cut the zip tie off, took the loaded magazine out of my back pocket, put it in the gun and racked the slide back, put it back in my holster. Only after all that did I notice about 5 state troopers standing nearby having a smoke. When I looked up they just nodded at me and I went on my way.

[m21sniper]

Originally posted by Moneyguy1
[B]And therein lies the problem, sadly enough.....Like a law enforcement friend of mine once said...

"Guns do not kill people, easy access to guns kills people."

Nonsense. Banning guns has been AT LEAST as inneffective as banning drugs.

"When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns."

An assembled and operable firearm is de facto ilegal to possess AT ALL in D.C, even in your home. Yet it is one of the perennial handgun murder capitals of the western world.

Gun control is a socialist lie. Period.

A few years ago here in AZ a young girl was killed by an errant bullet fired into the air grom three miles away. Now it is unlawful to fire a weapon into the air. "What goes up...."

Mythbusters did an experiment with bullets fired straight up and determined a returning bullet(even a high velocity rifle bullet) would not be lethal under any but the flukiest of conditions on it's return to earth. Of course the coroner argued with them anyway, even though the results of their tests were quite definitive, and the experiment itself quite sound.

[m21sniper]

Originally posted by Schrup
What would posses you to chamber a round in front of cops? The only time I've been compelled to chamber a round was when the jackals were moving in. They never saw the weapon, but probable heard it, because they backed off. BTW, both times this has happened to me, I was walking to the car from the club in the wee hours of the morning. I don't go out after 10pm or to clubs anymore.

I ALWAYS keep a round chambered unless i am cleaning the firearm or unloading it to give to someone else. If i EXPECT my chamber to ALWAYS be loaded i am far, far less likely to mistakenly think it's empty and do something really stupid.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally posted by m21sniper
I ALWAYS keep a round chambered unless i am cleaning the firearm or unloading it to give to someone else. If i EXPECT my chamber to ALWAYS be loaded i am far, far less likely to mistakenly think it's empty and do something really stupid.

What good is an empty chamber? Geez, I can't believe how many people walk around like that. Like you, all of my guns always have one up the pipe.

On a semi-related note, I was camping and hunting with a buddy and his neighbor (whom I did not know) up on the Tagagawick river outside of Kotzebue, Alaska. We were after caribou, but it was good bear country as well. We had seen several, and at least one had been sniffing around camp. I kept my M70 (in .375 H&H) loaded at all times, even at night. One morning as I was cleaning up breakfast dishes, with my rifle close at hand (hanging by its sling off a low broken off tree branch) this guy was tidying up camp. He noticed the big old wing safety all the way back, surmised it must be loaded, and proceded to empty th chamber and hang it back on the branch. Without telling me. He stuffed the round into the sling where I would see it. I shudder to think what might of happened if a curious, then aggressive bear showed up and I needed the damn thing. We had a rather stern "come to Jesus" meeting after that. He was "just trying to be safe..."

[speeder]

I don't believe in unloaded guns either, but I'm pretty militant about gun safety. I would never go hunting w/ anyone w/o a discussion on gun safety philosophy first. (To make sure that we were on the same page).

I'm a Glock owner, and there is always one in the chamber, ready to fire. One of the main tactical advantages of a regular citizen packing heat is the element of surprise, or maybe "secret" is a better term. The last thing I need is to have to make a loud, easily recognised sound+ lose 2 seconds of crucial "quick-draw" time racking a round. What if you are hiding from a hostile, armed person hoping they will not "make" you, but ready to kill them if they do?? That is unfortunately not a far-fetched scenario, at least in the realm of when you might need your gun to save your life.

The other feasible scenario for actually using my gun is when I am walking my dog late at night, and I am either jacked or see someone else being robbed or jacked. One second in response time might cost me my life, no way I'm giving someone a head start in that race.

Yeah, an unloaded gun is just dangerous. If you do not trust your safety/trigger or your own competence enough to roll loaded, you need some serious training and practice.

BTW Rick, I am not aiming this at you in any way after hearing your "racking" story. It makes sense and if it was in a legal carry state the cops would not bat an eye outside a gun show. Plus you obviously know enough to not walk around "half-cocked".

[Rick Lee]

Also forgot to mention that I was stopped a few times last year by the Border Patrol in AZ and NM and every time I had my P220 in a holster in the cupholder of my rental car. They all saw it and never said anything about it.

[m21sniper]

I find that if i get pulled over and hand my permit and my license to the cop at the same time but dont actually say anything, that things go pretty smooth without a lot of undue panic.

At any rate, it is a god-damned shame about this kid. 24 years old and all that talent...

[Jeff Higgins]

Quotes from his mother in our local paper the other day said he had had a troubled past, "hanging out with the wrong crowd". Looks like he had not quite given that up, in spite of everyone's assertions of just how lilly white and what not he was. It's a crying shame that this crowd treats its own like this, but in the end that seems to be part of its appeal to them. Makes them seem all bad-ass and everything.

[m21sniper]

Originally posted by Jeff Higgins
Quotes from his mother in our local paper the other day said he had had a troubled past, "hanging out with the wrong crowd". Looks like he had not quite given that up, in spite of everyone's assertions of just how lilly white and what not he was. It's a crying shame that this crowd treats its own like this, but in the end that seems to be part of its appeal to them. Makes them seem all bad-ass and everything.

I am quite certain that LEAVING the party/club in their limo was not cause for the murder of Darrent Williams. Whatever he did or didn't do in the past, he surely did nothing that night to deserve to die in a hail of gunfire.

But then as the character William Muney once said, "Deserve's got nothing to do with it."

I remember once reading a survey of prisoners in the US where something like 20% of all convicts opined that 'being dis-respected' was a legitimate reason to kill a rival.

It truly boggles the mind. The only kind of respect that matters comes from the INSIDE.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally posted by m21sniper
I am quite certain that LEAVING the party/club in their limo was not cause for the murder of Darrent Williams. Whatever he did or didn't do in the past, he surely did nothing that night to deserve to die in a hail of gunfire.

But then as the character William Muney once said, "Deserve's got nothing to do with it."

I remember once reading a survey of prisoners in the US where something like 20% of all convicts opined that 'being dis-respected' was a legitimate reason to kill a rival.

It truly boggles the mind. The only kind of respect that matters comes from the INSIDE.

Some one clearly thought he had done something to deserve it. That's the problem with running in those circles; their threshold for "deserving it" is far lower than our's.

Maybe he did nothing that night; maybe he never did anything at all, ever, to deserve this. Maybe he did, even by our standards. We will probably never know. The fact remains, however, that if some one chooses to roll around in the gutter, he's bound to get a little on him. Like Sonny Barger says, "that's what he gets for hanging out with guys like us".

[k9handler]

at least the Broncos as a team will be with his family at the funeral, this speaks well of the Broncos organization and his NFL family. The suspect vehicle has been found (painted black on all sides) and the owner of it is in jail...was in jail at the time of the shooting. Investigation does seem to be moving along.

[m21sniper]

Originally posted by Jeff Higgins
Some one clearly thought he had done something to deserve it. That's the problem with running in those circles; their threshold for "deserving it" is far lower than our's.

Maybe he did nothing that night; maybe he never did anything at all, ever, to deserve this. Maybe he did, even by our standards. We will probably never know. The fact remains, however, that if some one chooses to roll around in the gutter, he's bound to get a little on him. Like Sonny Barger says, "that's what he gets for hanging out with guys like us".

You can end up just as dead climbing a mountain, driving your Porsche, or flying your million dollar personal plane. In fact, at some point, you can absolutely count on it!

"Life is unsafe at any speed."
~M21 Nader.

[LakeCleElum]

The shooter is firing into a limo with blacked out windows. At least one other Bronco was in the Limo. The shooter didn't know which individual he was shooting at - didn't care. Just knew someone in that limo had did something to pi$$ him off.....

[Rick Lee]

Just goes to show that when your number's up, it's up. Nothing you can do about it.

I went to get a physical today. When the doc. said I had nothing to worry about, he saw my motorcycle helmet and jacket and said that was the biggest risk to my health for the next few years.

[azasadny]

Originally posted by Rick Lee
Just goes to show that when your number's up, it's up. Nothing you can do about it.

I went to get a physical today. When the doc. said I had nothing to worry about, he saw my motorcycle helmet and jacket and said that was the biggest risk to my health for the next few years.

Funny, my Dr said the same thing when she saw my Porsche!

[m21sniper]

I know i'm going to die.

My birth certificate has an expiration date.