Pelican Parts Forums

Pelican Parts Forums (http://forums.pelicanparts.com/index.php)
-   Off Topic Discussions (http://forums.pelicanparts.com/forumdisplay.php?f=31)
-   -   Al Gore running for the Presidency (http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?t=342640)

Joeaksa 04-22-2007 02:04 PM

Al Gore running for the Presidency
 
Well kids, Fox news just announced that Al Gore has told his election staff to "stand by" as there will be an important announcement shortly.

Just what we need is another "michael moore wanna be" liberal running this election. This is going to be fun to watch...

Nostril Cheese 04-22-2007 02:09 PM

you gotta admit, it's a better choice than Hillary

Dan in Pasadena 04-22-2007 02:16 PM

Re: Al Gore running for the Presidency
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Joeaksa
Well kids, Fox news just announced that Al Gore has told his election staff to "stand by" as there will be an important announcement shortly.

Just what we need is another "michael moore wanna be" liberal running this election. This is going to be fun to watch...

Joe, You don't want ANY Democrat to run, much less win so what do you care...unless Gore makes you nervous...which of course I don't expect you to admit.

Joeaksa 04-22-2007 02:30 PM

Dan,

Sorry but I do not EXPECT any Democrats to win, but if one does would sure like it to be one that is not lesbian, has a middle name of Hussain, an ex-trial lawyer, a peacenik and so on.

There are good candidates out there and ones who do not push green power whilst living in a mansion that has a monthly utility bill over $12,000.

Only thing about Gore that really makes me nervious is that he has gotten so fat in the last 10 years that he may eat us out of house and home should he ever come to this area.

campbellcj 04-22-2007 02:34 PM

I must say I've got a tad more respect for Gore than Hillary, Williams and definitely Kerry...hey, he invented the internet so how awful could he be? ;)

kach22i 04-22-2007 02:39 PM

Gore must be running, I just read this - so presidential.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/04/20/america/LA-GEN-Colombia-Al-Gore.php
Quote:

BOGOTA, Colombia: Al Gore withdrew from an environmental conference in Miami on Friday to avoid appearing with President Alvaro Uribe , who is battling the most serious accusations yet that he aided far-right death squads.

http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_D_field03.406124c.html
http://www.pe.com/imagesdaily/2007/0...ield03_400.jpg

Dan in Pasadena 04-22-2007 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joeaksa
Dan,

Sorry but I do not EXPECT any Democrats to win, but if one does would sure like it to be one that is not lesbian, has a middle name of Hussain, an ex-trial lawyer, a peacenik and so on.

There are good candidates out there and ones who do not push green power whilst living in a mansion that has a monthly utility bill over $12,000.

Only thing about Gore that really makes me nervious is that he has gotten so fat in the last 10 years that he may eat us out of house and home should he ever come to this area.

Honestly, not trying to pick a flame war but...
I didn't EXPECT "W" to win...either time (and I think he didn't) but not to reopen an old argument. You never know what will happen.

Of course, I have to say that I've never seen any solid evidence that Hillary IS a lesbian - but I am not afraid of that even if she were. My only true beef with her is that she is SO polarizing she will set the Democratic Party back a long time if she is the candidate.

I don't care what a man's middle name is either. I doubt you ever confused Bill Clinton with Thomas Jefferson, or Ronald Reagen with Woodrow Wilson because of their middle names, so all that is just posturing....or childish foolishness. I'd have no problem with Barak but this country is too bigotted still IMO. If not for his color then for his parentage. He'd bring out (already has) the "haters".

Since nearly ALL politicians, regardless of party are lawyers I suppose you have less than a leg to stand on there and as for peaceniks? Heaven Forbid, you wouldn't want a President that would allow Peace to break out!

See, I just don't "get" you guys (con's). You spend more time thinking of the next thing to be afraid of than you do how to FIX SOMETHING. I'd rather fail in trying to fix something than make things worse by trying to keep things, "nice and moral, the way they're USED to be". I feel you long for a time that never truly existed....kind like "Father Knows Best" or something. Fire away, I know somebody will.

red-beard 04-22-2007 03:07 PM

You think we don't like Barack Obama because he's black? My opposition to him is based on his voting record. He is more liberal than Ted Kennedy and John Kerry. I could care less if he becomes the Democratic Candidate. He will not win.

kach22i 04-22-2007 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dan in Pasadena
1. My only true beef with her is that she is SO polarizing she will set the Democratic Party back a long time if she is the candidate. ..............

2. See, I just don't "get" you guys (con's). You spend more time thinking of the next thing to be afraid of than you do how to FIX SOMETHING.

1. Agree, but for the "world" there could be a different image.

Clinton says husband would be ambassador
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070421/ap_on_el_pr/clinton2008;_ylt=Av86yzlQ9oBFy1PfZk06MaxvzwcF
"I can't think of a better cheerleader for America than
Bill Clinton, can you?"

2. Agree, and fear is an addiction, it's like meth or crack.

Dan in Pasadena 04-22-2007 03:15 PM

If "we" is conservatives? Then no. I think America, particualrly in the middle of the country is bigotted. The majority (huge) of voters don't have a friggn clue what anyone's voting record is....that is, other than what the slash and burn TV commercials tell them a candidate's record is.

Dan in Pasadena 04-22-2007 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kach22i
1. Agree, but for the "world" there could be a different image.

Clinton says husband would be ambassador
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070421/ap_on_el_pr/clinton2008;_ylt=Av86yzlQ9oBFy1PfZk06MaxvzwcF
"I can't think of a better cheerleader for America than
Bill Clinton, can you?"

2. Agree, and fear is an addiction, it's like meth or crack.

kach, I'm not on OT enough to know what your political leanings are so I am not sure what you're saying here? Hillary's image in the rest of the world? Yes, I agree they would DEFINTELY think of her differently than people here would. And mostly is that a good thing or not? In the Middleast? No good probably. In Europe? Seesm it would be MUCH better accepted.

speeder 04-22-2007 03:21 PM

He must be falling into the whole "reunion tour" fever that's going around. You know, The Police, Rage Against the Machine, The Pixies, etc...

I think it's awesome news. :)

Hugh R 04-22-2007 03:25 PM

The way the republicans have been doing run away spending disgusts me. The way the dems want to give away all my money to everyone who makes less than me disgusts me as well. $9 Trillion is the official debt and I don't think that includes all the obligations for which IOUs have been written like Social Security and Medicare, to name a few. In the next 15 years we will have rampant inflation from the Feds printing gobs of money to pay those debts which will be coming due. The million bucks that your trying to sock away to retire with have 1/4 or less of the buying power you think it will have.

Back on topic, Gore will make it an interesting race. If he loses, he'll probably go to court again.

rrpjr 04-22-2007 03:33 PM

I hope he does run, this knight of the earnest countenance. No man should wander through life as long as he has seeking to define and fulfill his destiny, his crowning moment of human purpose -- to have his ass kicked by a woman. He can finally rest, and maybe we can too.

kach22i 04-22-2007 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dan in Pasadena
kach, I'm not on OT enough to know what your political leanings are so I am not sure what you're saying here? Hillary's image in the rest of the world? Yes, I agree they would DEFINTELY think of her differently than people here would. And mostly is that a good thing or not? In the Middleast? No good probably. In Europe? Seesm it would be MUCH better accepted.
I used to be in the middle, but then everything shifted to the right - how's that?:)

I think Hillary could be saying that in places like the mid-east she would send Bill in just for the reasons you might be thinking.

Ironic that Bush sends Condi to the Mid-East and no one says how stupid or ineffective that is.

Joeaksa 04-22-2007 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by red-beard
You think we don't like Barack Obama because he's black? My opposition to him is based on his voting record. He is more liberal than Ted Kennedy and John Kerry. I could care less if he becomes the Democratic Candidate. He will not win.
Another one here. His being black does not bother me but his record and his association with the muslim faith knocks him right out for me.

Still holding out for Fred...

sammyg2 04-22-2007 03:52 PM

IMO Al Gore is a con-man liar who has scammed the modern world into believing the sky is falling.
As long as people are uninformed and gullible enough to buy into his extremist fictional hype, he is dangerous and we should be afraid.

jyl 04-22-2007 03:56 PM

I could vote for Al. Kind of doubt I'll get the chance, and haven't decided if he would be my first choice, but if it came down to him I would not be unhappy.

The guy is smart, experienced, and hopefully remembers the Rubinomics days when the US government ran a surplus. He doesn't seem to be a crook or a serial panderer.

At this point, almost anyone who's declared for President would be such a vast improvement over the guy there now, that I'm looking forward to 2008.

BGCarrera32 04-22-2007 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by speeder
I think it's awesome news. :)
I think he's a doof but the GOP doesn't exactly have any stand out candidates either... :)

red-beard 04-22-2007 04:12 PM

As my brother-in-law used to say:

"It's a Throw-up"

lendaddy 04-22-2007 04:27 PM

The addition of Gore will push the Dem primaries even further left. As a Republican I say, thank you Al Gore we need all the help we can get right now.

andrew15 04-22-2007 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sammyg2
IMO Al Gore is a con-man liar who has scammed the modern world into believing the sky is falling.
As long as people are uninformed and gullible enough to buy into his extremist fictional hype, he is dangerous and we should be afraid.

IMO George W Bush is a con-man liar who has scammed the modern world into believing the sky is falling. (Iraq + WMDs)
As long as people are uninformed and gullible enough to buy into his extremist fictional hype, he is dangerous and we should be afraid.

There - I fixed it for you! ;)

Joeaksa 04-22-2007 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by andrew15
IMO George W Bush is a con-man liar who has scammed the modern world into believing the sky is falling. (Iraq + WMDs)
As long as people are uninformed and gullible enough to buy into his extremist fictional hype, he is dangerous and we should be afraid.

There - I fixed it for you! ;)

There, I fixed it back.

Be original, and come up with something yourself, not messing with other peoples posts!

You are Canadian. Should we dig into Canadian politics here as you have done with our American politics? Yours are as messy if not worse than ours my friend, eh?

Nostril Cheese 04-22-2007 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joeaksa

Still holding out for Fred...

I accept your nomination.. Hookers and weed for all!

sammyg2 04-22-2007 06:05 PM

Andrew, I see you are from Canada. That explains alot.
It explains your selective memory of the facts. Hey, why should you remember the details, you live in a different country. It's much more convinient to say OUR president made up the WMD. It's easy for you to post something that is untrue. Everyone will just think you are mistaken.
How about you try the truth? It really isn't that hard.
How about you admit that the WMD were there but were moved into Syria before we invaded? Why don't you tell everyone how the democrats in the congress of your neighboring country to the south overwelmingly approved invading Iraq based on the exact same information the US president had? How about you start naminbg all those who fully supported invading Iraq, even thouse form other countries like Great Britain and Canada. Nope, being that honest would not benefit your twisted left-wing socialistic cause. You wanna play the WMD game? Then include everyone who bought into it. Not just president Bush.

It explains your obvious left wing slant, your country is more socialistic than ours, at least for the moment.
It does not however explain one thing, did you intentionally try to mislead the reraders of your post, or did you innocently write about things in a way that was not accurate because you didn't know any better?

Moneyguy1 04-22-2007 06:11 PM

Take it easy on the Canadians. They are the mouse trying to share the bed with the elephant. It makes for a very nervous mouse.

andrew15 04-22-2007 06:14 PM

Joe -
It's not that I was trying to not be original, I was just trying, in a light hearted way (hence the winky thing), to demonstrate that both sides are often have the same sort of mis-perceptions of each other.

What does my being Canadian have anything to do with it? I don't know why you guys get all uppity about your nothern friends, but I'll give you the standard defense some may be probably looking for:
We have hockey , health care for all and don't invade others - we may have no culture of our own, but it won't stop us from commenting on global events that may affect us in the future. ;) (that's a wink for sarcasm)

Back to the subject at hand - Yup, we have misguided politicians as well, but have found they don't necessarily fall into one camp or the other. It's likie apples and oranges - they may be different, but can both be rotten.

As cliched as it sounds, I'm back to the hockey game!

AM

sammyg2 04-22-2007 06:20 PM

I have no problem with people fronm Canada, only left wing people from Canada who quote text from one of my posts about a United States subject and changes the wording and suggests he has it right and i have it wrong. Yes, I have a problem with that.

Tervuren 04-22-2007 06:23 PM

Gore, plays issues with the public, and lives a life in complete reverse, making lots of money off of self created hype. There are enough republicans doing this on a smaller scale already - and I HATE IT! Give him a government position to further his private aims, and it will be much much worse. Gore has shown he will use whatever leverage he can to push his own private financial advancement. Thats a OUT for me. Same for having weapon's manufacturers in charge of foreign policy...

andrew15 04-22-2007 06:33 PM

Actually to set the record straight just a bit, our government is currently a conservative one. One that I helped elect :) It may not be your brand of consrervative, but it's all we have.

And about Iraq - our Liberal government at the time didn't support it, but did support Afganistan (damned liberals ;) ). We still have a lot of troops there and in essence it frees up some of your resources to persue Iraq.

Regards,
Andrew M

Moneyguy1 04-22-2007 06:38 PM

Andrew:

Quite familiar with your country, having lived a few decades in the Rochester New York area. What you have to take into consideration is the mindset of many on this board that the U.S. can do no wrong and the leadership is somehow guided by the Almighty. This filters the human out of the equation and replaces it with a superiority complex. I doubt that most "average" Americans feel the same way.

hytem 04-22-2007 06:59 PM

Re: Al Gore running for the Presidency
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Joeaksa
Well kids, Fox news just announced that Al Gore has told his election staff to "stand by" as there will be an important announcement shortly.

Just what we need is another "michael moore wanna be" liberal running this election. This is going to be fun to watch...

Gore has never been a liberal. He has always represented the centrist wing of the Democratic Party.

Of course, to some of you guys, anybody who is to the left of Ghenghis Khan is a liberal. :D

Frankly, I don't have the foggiest idea what a liberal or conservative is these days in American politics. There are just anti-Democrats and anti-Republicans.

Moneyguy1 04-22-2007 07:06 PM

hytem

They are simply labels used by folks without a scintilla of actual knowledge, designed to villify people with whom they do not agree. The idea of "liberal", "conservative" and others have no meaning anymore, having lost their meaning by being used too often and in too many cases. If people actually removed the emotional aspect and non-passionately analyzed an individual on specific issues, they might be surprised to find that some of those they defend are not worth defending and some they dispise are actually worthy of consideration. But, so many people are so ingrained with their own internal image of how things should be, they are incapable of objective thinking. Recent posts by our resident and self appointed "guru" uses the word "liberal" so often the word becomes gibberish. Total lack of objectivity in favor of labeling.

Tobra 04-22-2007 09:17 PM

Gore vs Hillary, tough to pick the lesser of two evils on that one. I could see him winning, can't picture her winning, negatives are too big for her.

911pcars 04-22-2007 11:44 PM

"Ironic that Bush sends Condi to the Mid-East and no one says how stupid or ineffective that is."

What does this signify when a Bush appointee hasn't screwed it up (yet) and this is characterized as "ironic"?

RoninLB 04-23-2007 12:40 AM

Gore's power will make Hillary look worse.

kach22i 04-23-2007 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Moneyguy1
hytem

They are simply labels used by folks without a scintilla of actual knowledge, designed to villify people with whom they do not agree. The idea of "liberal", "conservative" and others have no meaning anymore, having lost their meaning by being used too often and in too many cases. If people actually removed the emotional aspect and non-passionately analyzed an individual on specific issues, they might be surprised to find that some of those they defend are not worth defending and some they dispise are actually worthy of consideration. But, so many people are so ingrained with their own internal image of how things should be, they are incapable of objective thinking. Recent posts by our resident and self appointed "guru" uses the word "liberal" so often the word becomes gibberish. Total lack of objectivity in favor of labeling.

Well said.

kach22i 04-23-2007 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 911pcars
"Ironic that Bush sends Condi to the Mid-East and no one says how stupid or ineffective that is."

What does this signify when a Bush appointee hasn't screwed it up (yet) and this is characterized as "ironic"?

What?

Everything she's touched she has screwed up and she lies like a rug, WTF!

http://www.turnoffyourtv.com/radio/show12/show12.html
http://www.turnoffyourtv.com/radio/s...0409041pdb.gif

http://gadflyer.com/articles/?ArticleID=74
Quote:

The Bush administration claims the August 6th, 2001 intelligence briefing entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States" was merely "historical" in nature and, in the words of National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, "frustratingly vague." She told the 9/11 commission: "...I can also tell you that there was nothing in this memo that suggested that an attack was coming on New York or Washington, D.C. There was nothing in this memo as to time, place, how or where. This was not a threat report to the president."

RoninLB 04-23-2007 07:11 AM

better wording would differentiate like

do you want greater gov't control over your life or do you want greater economic growth?

Joeaksa 04-23-2007 07:14 AM

Kach,

Posting things from un-biased sources would help your case a lot. The sources above on the Bin Laden issue are far from being neutral.


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 07:58 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2025 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Pelican Parts Website


DTO Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.