Pelican Parts
Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   Pelican Parts Forums > Miscellaneous and Off Topic Forums > Off Topic Discussions


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Author
Thread Post New Thread    Reply
I'm with Bill
 
Jims5543's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Jensen Beach, FL
Posts: 13,028
Quote:
Originally Posted by Won View Post
Watch the video Jim posted again. It's Hamilton not Kovalainen diving across the field as evident by the red camera pod above the intake.
It was not the drive across the track that was a problem, it was the fact that they were on the driving line, they figured it out as soon as Nick passed them and Hammy dived across the track off line, Heiki stayed on line and impeded Alonso after Heiki he impeded 2 cars and only got 1 penalty, then went on to come in 3rd. If the FIA wanted to really screw over McLaren, they would have penalized Heiki twice for both infractions but they cut him a break.

__________________
1978 Mini Cooper Pickup
1991 BMW 318i M50 2.8 swap
2005 Mini Cooper S
2014 BMW i3 Giga World - For sale in late March
Old 03-24-2008, 04:40 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #61 (permalink)
I'm with Bill
 
Jims5543's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Jensen Beach, FL
Posts: 13,028
Massa, Massa, Massa........


wanted...traction control from AC on Vimeo.
__________________
1978 Mini Cooper Pickup
1991 BMW 318i M50 2.8 swap
2005 Mini Cooper S
2014 BMW i3 Giga World - For sale in late March
Old 03-24-2008, 05:35 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #62 (permalink)
Registered
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Cleveland, OH
Posts: 644
Re: Passing in the pits
Out of the top 7 or 8 cars Kimi had the shortest first pitstop 7.9 s.
Heikki and Lewis had the worst two. 10.2 & 19.9.
Massa had 8.5

Gino
__________________
72 911 coupe 2.7L S Cams/Webers Street/Track
68 912 coupe 1.6L sold
Old 03-24-2008, 06:35 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #63 (permalink)
Unfair and Unbalanced
 
Mule's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: From the misty mountains to the bayou country
Posts: 9,711
Inability to pass makes for some boring racing. So does Bernie's leanings to Ferrari. Hamilton is easily the best driver out there.
__________________
"SARAH'S INSIDE Obama's head!!!! He doesn't know whether to defacate or wind his watch!!!!" ~ Dennis Miller!
Old 03-24-2008, 07:06 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #64 (permalink)
Registered
 
Lothar's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Southeastern U.S.
Posts: 3,300
Garage
I am a McLaren fan. The penalty was fair. Only the McLarens were on the racing line. There was poor communication from the team to the drivers. Kovalainen alluded to this in an interview where he responded to the penalty.

Kimi deserved the win, as the team did a great job of rebounding from Australia. Massa still sucks and should be replaced before mid season at this rate. How much testing did they do, and Massa still can't drive the car without TC? He should go back to drivers school.

There is way too much made of the ECU issue. The spec ECU is not made by McLaren the "constructor". A separate electronics division, in cooperation with Microsoft, designed and builds the ECU. The reduction in performance obtained by the spec ECU comes from its lack of functionality compared the the ECUs of years past. There are many fewer parameters that the new ECU can control, so teams are less able to fine tune the performance of the car. Things like illegal TC cannot be created within terrabytes of hidden code. It was simply impossible for the FIA and Charlie Whiting to enforce the ban on drivers aids without control of the ECU code. So, the spec ECU affects McLaren just as much as any other team. I hope this issue goes away before the next race.
__________________
Lothar of the Hill People
Old 03-24-2008, 07:45 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #65 (permalink)
Unfair and Unbalanced
 
Mule's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: From the misty mountains to the bayou country
Posts: 9,711
Microsoft is synonymous with reduction in performance.
__________________
"SARAH'S INSIDE Obama's head!!!! He doesn't know whether to defacate or wind his watch!!!!" ~ Dennis Miller!
Old 03-24-2008, 07:48 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #66 (permalink)
 
Registered
 
kang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 4,868
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lothar View Post
I am a McLaren fan. The penalty was fair. Only the McLarens were on the racing line. There was poor communication from the team to the drivers. Kovalainen alluded to this in an interview where he responded to the penalty.

.....
Even Ron Dennis thought the penalty was fair.
__________________
Downshift
Old 03-24-2008, 08:48 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #67 (permalink)
Cars & Coffee Killer
 
legion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: State of Failure
Posts: 32,246
I think it was a fair penalty for McLaren given the circumstances.

I also think that had two Ferrari drivers been on the racing line, no penalty would have been awarded.

When was the last time Ferrari was served with a penalty? I can't think of one. Every time Ferrari does something penalty-worthy, the FIA does nothing.
__________________
Some Porsches long ago...then a wankle...
5 liters of VVT fury now
-Chris

"There is freedom in risk, just as there is oppression in security."
Old 03-24-2008, 08:53 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #68 (permalink)
Registered
 
kang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 4,868
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott at Pelican Parts View Post
The pass for the lead

Funny….

But for me, personally, I like that strategy is an important part of winning an F1 race. Sure, driving skill should be the most important part, and I think it still is. Even with the best strategy, lack of skill won’t win a race. But I like the “chess game” strategy of an F1 race. In this case, Kimi qualified right behind Massa, but with more fuel on board. He also stayed right behind him during the first stint. Both of those things take driving skill. The skill to qualify well, and keep up, but with more fuel on board, gave Kimi more options during the race to play out a winning strategy. More fuel on board gave him more options, like if it rained, when to come in for wets. Etc, etc. In this race, more fuel gave him a few more laps on track with a light fuel load, which enabled him to pass Massa.

So no, the pass for the lead didn’t happen in the pits, it really occurred when Kimi qualified with more fuel on board.

My opinion only, your results may vary.
__________________
Downshift

Last edited by kang; 03-24-2008 at 08:57 AM.. Reason: typo
Old 03-24-2008, 08:56 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #69 (permalink)
Registered
 
Lothar's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Southeastern U.S.
Posts: 3,300
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mule View Post
Microsoft is synonymous with reduction in performance.
Teams should be happy that McLaren is building the ECU. Imagine if you had Microsoft software running on an ECU built by DELL.

"Hello. My name is Benny. Can you tell me the nature of your ECU problem today? O'kay, I do not have a solution to your problem in my manual. Can you please hold for the next 75 minutes?"

NO! YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO LOAD SERVICE PACK 2!

Our technical support package starts at $4 million for 3 30 minute phone sessions. Would you like to give me your credit card information?
__________________
Lothar of the Hill People
Old 03-24-2008, 09:02 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #70 (permalink)
Dog-faced pony soldier
 
Porsche-O-Phile's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: A Rock Surrounded by a Whole lot of Water
Posts: 34,187
Garage
If Apple were building the ECUs they'd weigh 1/3 as much and the cars would be five seconds a lap faster.
__________________
A car, a 911, a motorbike and a few surfboards

Black Cars Matter
Old 03-24-2008, 09:04 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #71 (permalink)
I'm with Bill
 
Jims5543's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Jensen Beach, FL
Posts: 13,028
Quote:
Originally Posted by legion View Post

When was the last time Ferrari was served with a penalty? I can't think of one. Every time Ferrari does something penalty-worthy, the FIA does nothing.
Massa was DQ'd last season for leaving the pits when the red light was on.


Ferrari was penalized last year for starting a race in inters instead of full wets per orders passed through the pits. They HAD to enter the pits and change tires costing them position on the track.

Let me think some more and see if I can come up with more, there are plenty.
__________________
1978 Mini Cooper Pickup
1991 BMW 318i M50 2.8 swap
2005 Mini Cooper S
2014 BMW i3 Giga World - For sale in late March
Old 03-24-2008, 09:04 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #72 (permalink)
 
Registered
 
cl8ton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: The Golden State
Posts: 1,533
Great race,nice to see Kimi re-assert himself.
When Windsor was on the grid, he even mentioned something about Fararri getting free passes.

I think the big surprise this year is going to be Kovlainen, 2 starts and 2 podiums!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile View Post
If Apple were building the ECUs they'd weigh 1/3 as much and the cars would be five seconds a lap faster.
Well I guess it's about time to post this one
__________________
Rod...
2010 - 997 PDK, Black on Black, Daily driver.
1987 - 930 Grand Prix White, Not looking for crazy HP, just harmony!
Old 03-24-2008, 09:18 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #73 (permalink)
Won Won is offline
Registered
 
Won's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: UK
Posts: 1,442
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Cesiro View Post
It was not the drive across the track that was a problem, it was the fact that they were on the driving line, they figured it out as soon as Nick passed them and Hammy dived across the track off line, Heiki stayed on line and impeded Alonso after Heiki he impeded 2 cars and only got 1 penalty, then went on to come in 3rd. If the FIA wanted to really screw over McLaren, they would have penalized Heiki twice for both infractions but they cut him a break.
I know that, I was just pointing it out for those who seemed confused about who was where during the in-lap. Just a minor detail really.

Michael Schumacher was penalized after his "incident" at Monaco in 06 during qualifying and started the race from pit lane.
__________________
83 911SC Targa
Everything I say is my personal opinion, and has nothing to do with my team.
Old 03-24-2008, 12:36 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #74 (permalink)
Registered
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Mt. Doom
Posts: 1,019
Great race, much cleaner than Oz. I was delighted to see my two most prominent nationalities on the podium. Go Finn and Pol!

Massa needs to get it together or he's going to get the big fat bewt. I see a seat for Vettel opening up...
__________________
3.2 targa
Old 03-25-2008, 12:35 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #75 (permalink)
Registered
 
cl8ton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: The Golden State
Posts: 1,533
Alonso has an option to walk away from Renault at the end of 2008 season.
Many sources are saying he has put out a “Come and get me”, offer to Ferrari.

If so, he would obviously replace Massa who is off to a dismal start in 2008.
Now that would be some drama with Kimi and Alonso on the same team.
__________________
Rod...
2010 - 997 PDK, Black on Black, Daily driver.
1987 - 930 Grand Prix White, Not looking for crazy HP, just harmony!
Old 03-25-2008, 02:22 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #76 (permalink)
Registered
 
Lothar's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Southeastern U.S.
Posts: 3,300
Garage
Massa has a contract through 2010, of course, that doesn't mean as the race driver. He could be a test driver for Ferrari or could be loaned out to another team, like STR if Vettel came to Ferrari.

Alonso didn't even want Kovalainen, who has yet to win a Grand Prix, on the same team with him. What would that little sissy do with another WDC as a teammate? Sparks, fur, wishbones and everything else might fly with Kimi and Alonso together.
__________________
Lothar of the Hill People
Old 03-26-2008, 07:50 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #77 (permalink)
Registered
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Mt. Doom
Posts: 1,019
Alonso is not going to Ferrari, even though he wishes he could. Well unless Kimi freaks out, leaves racing and becomes a Monk or something.
__________________
3.2 targa
Old 03-26-2008, 11:35 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #78 (permalink)
N-Gruppe doesn't exist
 
teenerted1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: *%@#ing GPS, where am I? Oh wait I see the Space Needle.
Posts: 4,394
Send a message via AIM to teenerted1
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seric View Post
Alonso is not going to Ferrari, even though he wishes he could. Well unless Kimi freaks out, leaves racing and becomes a Monk or something.
i second that opinion

wasn't he involved in the whole scandal last year?

why would they want to hire someone that was involved in something that was stolen Ferrari
__________________
Ted
'70 911T 3.0L "SKIPPY" R-Gruppe #477
'73 914 2.0L SOLD bye bye "lil SMOKEY"
"Silence is Golden, but duct tape is SILVER.”
other flat fours:'77 VWBus 2.0L & 2002 ImprezaTS 2.5L
Old 03-26-2008, 11:54 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #79 (permalink)
Registered
 
cl8ton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: The Golden State
Posts: 1,533
Quote:
Originally Posted by teenerted1 View Post
why would they want to hire someone that was involved in something that was stolen Ferrari
Cause he has intimate knowledge of their setup already, makes coming aboard all that much easier

I think Ferrari would happily pay Massa to not drive in order to get Alonso.
Contract or not, Alonso demonstrated last year contracts mean nuthin!

__________________
Rod...
2010 - 997 PDK, Black on Black, Daily driver.
1987 - 930 Grand Prix White, Not looking for crazy HP, just harmony!
Old 03-26-2008, 12:07 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #80 (permalink)
Reply


 


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 05:31 AM.


 
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2025 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page
 

DTO Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.