Malaysian GP - this weekend - Page 2

Joeaksa · 03-21-2008, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Seric

Ferrari won't win a race until Service Pack 2.

Great one!

gunlover05 · 03-21-2008, 06:27 PM

I was in Malaysia and went to the F1 race (was my first and only i've been to) back about 1999 or 2000 or so..can't remember the exact year...I was on a business trip and they convienently scheuduled it to coinside with the race....it was incredible...just after the first few laps of the race, it came a complete downpour out of now where, everyone spun out it seemed right in front of us....I believe Schumaker won that day, but can't remember...was way cool though, those F1 cars make a screaming sound live...

ginot912 · 03-22-2008, 07:39 AM

Just saw this on speedtv's website

"Lewis Hamilton and Heikki Kovalainen have each been penalized in five grid spots for blocking Nick Heidfeld and Fernando Alonso in the closing stages of Malaysian Grand Prix qualifying"

This is well deseved. I believe they'll start 8th and 9th.

I predict a DNF for Hamilton.

Gino

Noah930 · Noah930's Garage

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Originally Posted by teenerted1

i prefer the late night broadcasts...better than the 4am Sunday stuff when they are on the continent.

Move to the east coast. Then they're on at 7:45 am, instead.

dan79brooklyn · 03-22-2008, 08:18 AM

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http://www.racing-underground.com

You can download and watch all the races (all series, docs, top gear etc..) whenever is convenient, quality is usually very good.

Jims5543 · 03-22-2008, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ginot912

Just saw this on speedtv's website

"Lewis Hamilton and Heikki Kovalainen have each been penalized in five grid spots for blocking Nick Heidfeld and Fernando Alonso in the closing stages of Malaysian Grand Prix qualifying"

This is well deserved. I believe they'll start 8th and 9th.

I predict a DNF for Hamilton.

Gino

I just finished watching the Qualifying on Tivo and saw that, comments were made by the commentators that they would not be surprised if penalties were handed out. Heidfeld had to split 4 cars, 2 were off line on one side of the track and the 2 McLarens were on the driving line going slow, Nick shot up the middle.

Joeaksa · 03-22-2008, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ginot912

Just saw this on speedtv's website

"Lewis Hamilton and Heikki Kovalainen have each been penalized in five grid spots for blocking Nick Heidfeld and Fernando Alonso in the closing stages of Malaysian Grand Prix qualifying"

This is well deseved. I believe they'll start 8th and 9th.

I predict a DNF for Hamilton.

Gino

And you do not find it very interesting that only McLaren was penalized for this? Other cars did this in different parts of the track yet they were not penalized.

Everyone has the chance to go out and qualify at any time in the 3rd session. Most drag it out and head out a few minutes late, then always complain about the track being so full. After you have done your "fast lap" its customary to drive the in-lap at a somewhat reduced pace. Thats what they were doing as shown on the video feed. Others did the same thing, yet only McLaren was selected for this penality.

Sad to see that the FIA is now resorting to things like this out of their dislike for any team. Its supposed to be fair and balanced and clearly is not in this and many other cases against this team.

I predict that with a name like "Gino" that you are somewhat a Ferarri fan? Unbiased comment and prediction of course but then my Nephew is named Vito Anthony and he is the same!

Jims5543 · 03-22-2008, 08:35 AM

I am going back to watch, it seemed clear to me the only ones driving slow on the driving line were the McLarens, now I am not sure......

ginot912 · 03-22-2008, 08:39 AM

I didn't see the qualifying today (direct tv's dish was full of snow) and tivo couldn't record it.
Yes, I'm more of a fan of Ferrari than McLauren.

Gino

Joeaksa · 03-22-2008, 08:41 AM

Jim,

My heartburn is that in the past many of the teams held their drivers in the pits for a while when the sessions opened. They then all seem to flood the track at the same minute and once back in the pits and in front of the cameras do nothing but complain how there were too many drivers out there.

Well dammit, get out there when the session opens first when the track is empty and stop your griping but the FIA does not seem to feel that way.

Joeaksa · 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ginot912

I didn't see the qualifying today (direct tv's dish was full of snow) and tivo couldn't record it.
Yes, I'm more of a fan of Ferrari than McLauren.

Gino

So you did not even see the qualifying session yet you are posting a message saying that what happened to the McLaren drivers was fair? How can you feel that without even seeing what happened?

Sorry but I trust any journalist as far as I can throw them, and want to see what happened before making a decision like this. Guess I am too old but have been following F1 for 40 years now and after being at various races know that there is often a big difference in what I saw at the track or on television and what is published the next day.

When you make another comment like that about Formula One in the future you might want to preface it with "I am a Ferarri fan and could care less about the truth or what really happened but ....."

David · David's Garage

I'm a McLaren fan, but I think the penalty is fair. The incar shot from Heidfield's car was pretty scary with the two McLarens on the racing line, the other drivers on the opposite side of the track, and Heidfield screaming through them at full tilt.

ginot912 · 03-22-2008, 08:56 AM

Joe,
I do trust the commentators that are covering F1.
They've been quite fair in the past.
Just my humble opinion.
Gino

ginot912 · 03-22-2008, 09:00 AM

And,

I still predict a DNF for Hamilton!

Gino

Jims5543 · 03-22-2008, 09:08 AM

God, I love Axis. See for yourselves and see how one of the McLarens Quickly shoots across the track after Nick passes.

Joe, I agree with you there should not be last minute stints but to be honest, Ferrari and McLaren were out "fighting for pole" the other cars are all out to the end trying to improve. They all have a right to be there and they all have a right to go to the last second, there are simple rules to follow about staying off the driving line and McLaren blew it.

This argument could have been made 5 minutes into the session had Nick put on a fresh set of tires and was on his "golden lap" on them, like he was in the final seconds. Stay off the driving line and no one can complain.

It's my track and I'll drive where I want to... from AC on Vimeo.

Joeaksa · 03-22-2008, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ginot912

Joe,
I do trust the commentators that are covering F1.
They've been quite fair in the past.
Just my humble opinion.
Gino

Gino,

I trust the guys on Speed as long as I also see the race that they are commenting about on the tube or Tivo.

To read something in a newspaper or internet website then just run with it, no I would almost never do that unless it was confirmed by several different accounts.

The FIA has not treated McLaren fairly for a long time, while "looking the other way" with several other teams (Ferarri and Renault) who at times do much the same thing while still sharing the same track. This is well documented and well known. Hopefully someday this will stop and everyone will be treated fairly.

I am a fan of several teams and while I might be said to lean in McLaren's direction am not a big fan of Ron Dennis. That said, I feel that his treatment by the FIA (Max Mosely) is way over-board and hope that Ron takes Max to court someday and wins. I tend to support the various drivers more than one team or another to tell the truth.

Right now I tend to support Hamilton as he is simply one of the best and most talented drivers we have seen in many years. He could end up being "a new Jensen Button" and falling on his face shortly or keep forging ahead, only time will tell. Compare that with Alonzo last year and the way he tried to blackmail McLaren to get ahead and I cannot see why anyone would support him at this time.

Jims5543 · 03-22-2008, 09:12 AM

2 more things, Massa's wife is hot. (as seen in the final second of the video.)

and

You can see Fernando coming up behind Nick and he get so to see Hammy dive across the track and then wonder if Heiki is going to do the same. It was a bad situation.

I loved Axis' comment too:

It's my track and I'll drive where I want to...

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I agree they did not do it "intentionally" but they weren't paying much attention either, especially Mr. Hamilton who perhaps figured qualifying ends when he's done? Everyone else seemed to find a way off the racing line.

Komenda Fan · Komenda Fan's Garage

I think Jim's video makes it pretty clear that the two McLaren's were on the racing line, and the other cars were not. I do think McLaren has had a lot of attention paid to them by the stewards in the past few years, but I also think this was a fair call.

As for the ECU's, I still can't fathom how the FIA could give the contract to one constructor. They had to know that real or imagined, it was going to cause problems. Ferrari claimed that the engine troubles they had last race were because of the McLaren designed ECU, and I predict the whining will only get worst.

ginot912 · 03-22-2008, 12:22 PM

Nuff said,

Gino (looking for a ladder to clear some snow)

Great to see Heiki did not follow Lewis's move.

sammyg2 · 03-22-2008, 12:31 PM

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The FIA has not treated McLaren fairly for a long time, while "looking the other way" with several other teams (Ferarri and Renault) who at times do much the same thing while still sharing the same track. This is well documented and well known. Hopefully someday this will stop and everyone will be treated fairly.

It's interesting how slanted people's views are depending on which team they root for. For example, I root for Ferrari I disagree completely with the above statement.