Religious Top 10

[Jim Richards]

Originally Posted by trekkor

Theocracy is a government by God, not a religion or religious group.

There is currently NO theocracy in place. As in none.


KT

Theocracy is a form of government in which a 'god' or 'deity' is recognized as the supreme civil ruler. For believers, theocracy is a form of government in which divine power governs an earthly human state, either in a personal incarnation or, more often, via religious institutional representatives (i.e., a church), replacing or dominating civil government.

[trekkor]

Theocracy is a form of government in which a 'god' or 'deity' is recognized as the supreme civil ruler.

That's man's mistaken definition.
There is a true theocracy. Rule by God.

The only government that can successfully rule over mankind...God's Kingdom ( Matthew 6:9,10 )


KT

[Jim Richards]

You forgot "IMO."

[trekkor]

You forgot "IMO."

Actually, I didn't.

None of the governments mentioned ( or any, for that matter ) have God's backing or direction. He only allows them to exist.


KT

[Taz's Master]

Jim, be careful holding on to those beliefs which are unsupported by evidence, facts and research, there are some who think that is akin to faith in fairies.

Certainly religion is "holding us back" in some areas, but overall history shows that society is well-served by a healthy respect for God, coupled with a tolerance for those who do not believe.

Either we're too primitave, or merely stained by original sin. The way I see it, we have not surpassed the point where we don't need a Saviour to tell us to "love your neighbor as yourself".

[Jim Richards]

Originally Posted by Taz's Master

Jim, be careful holding on to those beliefs which are unsupported by evidence, facts and research, there are some who think that is akin to faith in fairies.

LOL, Taz. I'll stick to man's evolving understanding of the universe, and leave the beliefs to the shamans, mystics and fairies.

[Jim Richards]

Originally Posted by trekkor

Actually, I didn't.

None of the governments mentioned ( or any, for that matter ) have God's backing or direction. He only allows them to exist.


KT

Once again, you forgot "IMO." Potato skin religion. Might make a nice theocracy. Ruled by your stomach.

[trekkor]

I'll stick to man's evolving understanding of the universe

Wrong answer. Look at the track record. ( Man's efforts to govern himself )
What makes you think he's finally going to 'get it right'? Why now?

Do you see something happening on the world scene to make you believe it's close?



KT

[trekkor]

Originally Posted by Jim Richards

Once again, you forgot "IMO." Potato skin religion. Might make a nice theocracy. Ruled by your stomach.

I find it amusing when the conversation goes from serious to silly after there's no rebuttal.
Happens in *every* thread.


KT

[Jim Richards]

Experience with you, trek, has left no room for serious debate. All "guesses," remember? Keeping it light is less frustrating. I am and wish to stay, a very happy person.

[trekkor]

OK.

I see a lot of frustration in the wide variety of subjects posted on PPOT.
No solutions, just rants.

There is a solution.


KT

[RPKESQ]

Originally Posted by The Gaijin

Do the math.

Add up what was done by Hitler, Stain, Mao and Pol Pot.

Your math doesn’t add up. I can see Anthropology isn't your forte.

What you don't realize is that Christianity, Islam, Nazism and Communism are all just Personality Cults (look it up). Exactly the same as virtually every religion ever examined. They are exactly the same, with perfect one to one comparison between attributes.

Let's compare Christianity and Communism:

Both have a personality at the head (Jesus, Stalin, Mao)
Both have dogma
Both preach to followers to accept and obey
Both kill in the name of their chosen personality
Both preach suffering now, for a better tomorrow
Both have "sacred" sites, stories, books, rituals
Both have the intolerance for non-believers
Both try to address and control every aspect of the individual’s life

To wit, If you would take the time to learn about comparative religions you would realize all religions are the same in all major aspects and share the characteristic of being wholly man made (there is no evidence that any one of them was ever divinely inspired).

In point of fact, although we have large amounts of contemporary evidence that Karl Marx, Stalin and Mao existed, there is absolutely no contemporary historical or archeological evidence that Jesus (of the New Testament) ever existed.

[Taz's Master]

RPKESQ, since you show there is no difference between religion and government, and you have been quick to point out the evils of religion, is arnarchy what you advocate?

[kang]

Originally Posted by Taz's Master

Jim, be careful holding on to those beliefs which are unsupported by evidence, facts and research, there are some who think that is akin to faith in fairies.

Certainly religion is "holding us back" in some areas, but overall history shows that society is well-served by a healthy respect for God, coupled with a tolerance for those who do not believe.

Either we're too primitave, or merely stained by original sin. The way I see it, we have not surpassed the point where we don't need a Saviour to tell us to "love your neighbor as yourself".

Some people hear their religion telling them to “love your neighbor as yourself,” but others hear their religion telling them to bomb their neighbor.

[Jim Richards]

Originally Posted by Taz's Master

RPKESQ, since you show there is no difference between religion and government

Actually Taz, he didn't make that claim or association in his post. Why did you?

[RPKESQ]

Originally Posted by Taz's Master

RPKESQ, since you show there is no difference between religion and government, and you have been quick to point out the evils of religion, is arnarchy what you advocate?

Who said I was lumping all governments with Nazism or Communism? By what leap of logic are you able to do that?

As to the benefits of an enlightened population please review all scientific progress for the last 1000 years. All discovered and promoted by people willing to go against the tide of religion.

Now review the scientific progress discovered by the people willing to follow the current religious beliefs in their culture and time. Guess what their success rate is zero.

How much do you benefit from the scientific advances of the last 1000 years?
There is your proof and answer as to the benefit of replacing religion with critical thinking.

Just as a child grows out of the need for a teddy bear to sleep with, mankind will grow out of the need for an adult imaginary friend.

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by Taz's Master

RPKESQ, since you show there is no difference between religion and government, and you have been quick to point out the evils of religion, is arnarchy what you advocate?

no Communism vs Christianity

not too many people here would be offended by saying religion and govt were the same or if he had used Islam rather than Christianity, and what is the point in that?

you make some pretty sweeping statements unsupported by facts there Frenchy, nice work

Why is it that when an atheist and a non-atheist have a discussion, it seems the atheist goes out of their way to be offensive? I don't think it really bolsters your position, and I would say it is a big part of the perception that atheists are pseudo intellectual weenies.

[Jim Richards]

Tobra, the offensiveness was pretty evenly divided between the two camps in the ITAG thread.

[sjf911]

Originally Posted by Tobra

no Communism vs Christianity

not too many people here would be offended by saying religion and govt were the same or if he had used Islam rather than Christianity, and what is the point in that?

you make some pretty sweeping statements unsupported by facts there Frenchy, nice work

Why is it that when an atheist and a non-atheist have a discussion, it seems the atheist goes out of their way to be offensive? I don't think it really bolsters your position, and I would say it is a big part of the perception that atheists are pseudo intellectual weenies.

Let's see, from an atheist's perspective, GB's are ignorant and deluded.
From a GB perspective, atheists are savage, immoral, mass murdering, sodomizing, and generally degenerate louts who will suffer in hell for all of eternity. Hmm, who is being offensive?

[Tobra]

Really? That was not what I saw there, but I only popped in there for a bit. Well nigh impossible to change another man's "belief" Real Christians try to help people, not denigrate them. Perhaps I will go over there and see what ****heads Christians can really be

I still am wondering how I knew that was a pic of Eddie Mathews you posted in that other thread, or was that a different Jim that posted that?