Tiger Woods

[2.7RACER]

F350lawman,
One more internet bully on my ignore list.
Have a nice day.

[kstar]

Tiger is on his way to being the greatest golfer of all time.

That's good.

[F350Lawman]

F-350? Maybe I mentioned pool because I was at a local tournament near here yesterday.

I don't know why you mentioned pool, and I never questioned why you did? Are we agreeing or agrguing?? Maybe you misinterpreted my seconding pool and adding 2 other actvities that aren't viewed by many as tough, bowling and cards. I grew up between the pool hall and bowling alley..I know how mentally and physically draining playing those games can be....especially when you can't pay what you wagererd if you lose (not me) I watch those guys on TV play poker for huge bucks for days on end and that has to wear you out as well. I guess most things doe at a super high level would do the same.

I chatted with a guy born in 1921 who was also there. Not once did he mouth off suggesting that the players were wimps because of their chosen game. He was too classy for that. He even autographed his recently published book for me....

I don't know what that has to do with what I wrote about COMMENTATORS (not the competitiors) making golfing after an injury seem like entering the Roman Coliseum at less than 100% strength. As much as I love him, John Daly has more majors than 99% of the pro golfers who have ever, or will ever live, and he was no physical specimen back then either. He demonstarted that you can beat the best and be pretty poorly conditioned. On the flip side Daly also demonstrates that if you go too far, your conditioning will bite you in the ass. As in everything else, there are limits. Lefty isn't exactly ready win any 10Ks either and he has been maybe the 2nd best golfer of the Tiger era. That being said, I don't consider Tiger or any of the other pros "wimps", it's just when compared to to other endeavors golf is relatively low impact. If you asked the players they would say the same. Some seem to be trying to say golf is as physically demanding as the other major sports, and I don't agree. I don't think Hale Irwin (maybe the best athlete to play golf) can still be an all-conference defensive back for Colorado, but he certainly can walk a course playing competitive golf. Again... I said the COMMENTATORS made it out to be superhuman for Tiger to play, NOT TIGER or the PLAYERS.

Everybody who is a regular at this pool hall knows who the toughest guy there is, the second this man walks in. He's proven it.

Maybe you'd like to buy a copy? I'd like to see it on the non-fiction best sellers list.

"Easy Company Soldier"
by Sgt. Don Malarkey with Bob Welch

Although I bet it is a great book it would probably only reaffirm my opinion that the MEDIA treatment of a golfer playing through a rehabbing injury is hardly heroic in the grand scale of things. For the record, that was the basis of my original post. Apparently I struck a nerve with some golfers and Tiger fans. Maybe I'm wrong, but IMO... compared to many of the sports/activities golf seemed pretty mild.

I guess until I announce that golfing w/ injury is like scaling Everest or K2 w/ a busted ankle, or riding a bull w/ a broken leg I'll be villified..oh well.

[widgeon13]

I'm still pulling for Rocco, he's a real long shot but it would be a great Cinderella story. Tiger may be good for marketing but he's destroying the game's traditions. He's turning it into hockey.

Golf tournaments are turning into spectator drinking parties, it's pretty sad. I saw more than a few really shltfaced folks in the stands, on the grounds, as well as in the hotels on the boundary of the course. It's more like a soccer game than a golf tournament was like 10 years ago. The behavior at the Ryder Cup events has really caused a spectator free for all.

A Rocco victory would be great for the game from my perspective. Most unlikely though.

[the]

Originally Posted by widgeon13

I'm still pulling for Rocco, he's a real long shot but it would be a great Cinderella story. Tiger may be good for marketing but he's destroying the game's traditions. He's turning it into hockey.

Golf tournaments are turning into spectator drinking parties, it's pretty sad. I saw more than a few really shltfaced folks in the stands, on the grounds, as well as in the hotels on the boundary of the course. It's more like a soccer game than a golf tournament was like 10 years ago. The behavior at the Ryder Cup events has really caused a spectator free for all.

A Rocco victory would be great for the game from my perspective. Most unlikely though.

What game traditions is he destroying?

The crowd doesn't disrupt or alter the game any more today than 10 years ago.

[the]

Don't get me wrong, I like taking the contrary position just as much as the next guy, but to say that Tiger is "destroying the game's traditions" and that the crowds at golf tournaments are now like those at soccer matches is a bit absurd.

[F350Lawman]

Originally Posted by 2.7RACER

F350lawman,
One more internet bully on my ignore list.
Have a nice day.

You call me names, make obvious inferences of an insidious nature..and I tell you to PM me , so that you can call me on my cell, and explain what you meant...and that makes me a bully?

The problem is you're one of those guys who thinks that there is a certain "MOTIVATION" behind any criticism of Tiger. You're so caught up in it, my criticism of COMMENTS made about Tiger 's injury was construed in some twisted way by you. Your BS veiled "WHATEVER YOUR MOTIVATION IS" is typical of those of your ilk.

If you think I am a Bully, you're wrong but after mislabeling me, I would expect you to react the same way you did when the Bullies bothered you as a child...run and hide.

Goodnight.

[Nathans_Dad]

F350 with all due respect you have no clue what you are talking about. The guy had his knee reconstructed. There is a significant amount of scar tissue in that knee that will need to break down over time.

If you look at slow motion films of Tiger's swing, he puts an enormous amount of torque on his left knee during his downswing. This torque is exactly what caused the problem in the first place. Lots of torque + recent knee surgery = pain. Not only that but the knee is affecting his swing and ball flight as well.

As the old saying goes:

"Better to keep your mouth shut and have others think you a fool than to open your mouth and prove it."

[F350Lawman]

Originally Posted by Nathans_Dad

F350 with all due respect you have no clue what you are talking about. The guy had his knee reconstructed. There is a significant amount of scar tissue in that knee that will need to break down over time.

If you look at slow motion films of Tiger's swing, he puts an enormous amount of torque on his left knee during his downswing. This torque is exactly what caused the problem in the first place. Lots of torque + recent knee surgery = pain. Not only that but the knee is affecting his swing and ball flight as well.

As the old saying goes:

"Better to keep your mouth shut and have others think you a fool than to open your mouth and prove it."

Must be alot of non-readers on this particular area of Pelican ... I never questioned his injury, the effect on his swing or anything else. For the umpteenth time my problem was with THE COMMENTATORS WHO MADE IT SEEM LIKE HE WAS PLAYING HB IN THE SUPERBOWL OR RUNNING THE TRIATHALON ON THE LEG. Not negating the pain or influence on swing, but this is a common sports injury that we have seen 100s of guys return from (many before DRs though they could or would). Why are commentators acting like he's the 1st athlete to blow out a knee? Did you see Rod Woodson in the Superbowl a few years ago? Even his comeback from reconstructive knee surgery in 4 months(was suppose to be 6-12 months)wasn't described in the same hallowed terms and he was covering Michael Irvin! That was 13 years ago and medicine has improved quite a bit.

Also with all due respect, your last sentence cuts both ways, reread my original post.

[Carrman]

All right, the argument is getting a wee bit played out.

Anyways, not sure if some fans drinking in the hotel lobby is ruining the game of golf, but one thing for sure, Tiger has gotten a whole new generation of kids interested in golf.

My son wouldn't be as into golf if it wasn't for Tiger. We were on the edge of our seats watching the back 9 this afternoon! Inspirational, and fun.

Here we were at the range this morning - he gives the ball all of his 65 lbs!

[nostatic]

I don't think the announcers said it was the same as taking three slugs to the chest. That is *your* projection. But what part of hyperbole don't you get? The commentators are there to increase the drama and hear themselves talk. Such is life.

As for drinking on the golf course....I'm shocked that such a thing would occur!

[nostatic]

Originally Posted by F350Lawman

THE COMMENTATORS WHO MADE IT SEEM LIKE HE WAS PLAYING HB IN THE SUPERBOWL OR RUNNING THE TRIATHALON ON THE LEG. .

this illustrates your lack of understanding of the game. What Tiger was doing was easily the equal of both of those athletic feats.

[F350Lawman]

Originally Posted by nostatic

I don't think the announcers said it was the same as taking three slugs to the chest. That is *your* projection. But what part of hyperbole don't you get? The commentators are there to increase the drama and hear themselves talk. Such is life.

As for drinking on the golf course....I'm shocked that such a thing would occur!

Uhh.. no NOSTATIC ...to clarity you're 100% correct, they didn't say it was the same as 3 slugs to the chest. I think you already knew that, glad we cleared that up.

It wasn't just during it was the entire build up to the event. I get Hyperbole, I just don't need to be beaten over the head with it for a week leading up to the event. They went too far that's all, no need to sell Tiger's greatness to me or anyone else. Guess all subtly and measured, professional coverage is gone with the media being so craven for every viewer, reader, listener, etc.

Maybe it's not that I don't get it, maybe I just don't dig that over the top used car salesman type of reportage and commentary. I would prefer an honest assessment of the injury and how it might effect the athlete not gushing hero worship. That goes for Tiger, Favre(who I loved watching play) or any of the other guys who seem to have some sports journalists starstruck beyong all objectivity.

[turbocarrera]

Originally Posted by Carrman

All right, the argument is getting a wee bit played out.

Anyways, not sure if some fans drinking in the hotel lobby is ruining the game of golf, but one thing for sure, Tiger has gotten a whole new generation of kids interested in golf.

My son wouldn't be as into golf if it wasn't for Tiger. We were on the edge of our seats watching the back 9 this afternoon! Inspirational, and fun.

Here we were at the range this morning - he gives the ball all of his 65 lbs!

Tell your son that he hits it better than my 240lb 38yr old roommate.

He's got a nice looking swing but lots of youngins do - it must be great fun being out there with your boy.

[F350Lawman]

Originally Posted by nostatic

this illustrates your lack of understanding of the game. What Tiger was doing was easily the equal of both of those athletic feats.

OK your're right I give up.

I just find football harder on my legs/knees than golf. Now I don't play golf at Tigers level but I am also playing football at a much, much, much lower level so I don't think my experience is totally out of whack. I just find people pushing on you, short stops, quick starts, unpredictable changes of direction, getting tripped, hit from behind, etc. really hard on a knee. If those guys ran 4.6 40s and weighed 300lbs I guess it would be a tad tougher??? But hey, you said I'm wrong so here goes.....golf is as hard on a recovering knee as playing HB in the NFL ...golf is as hard on a recovering knee as playing HB in the NFL ...golf is as hard on a recovering knee as playing HB in the NFL . I will repeat this until I believe it....thanks for straightening that out

[Nathans_Dad]

F350 I believe it was you who said something to the effect that Tiger shouldn't be talking about the knee at all...am I wrong on that?

Face it dude, you are way off on this one and your a$$ is showing.

Best to just call it a night and chalk this one up as a lesson in keep your trap shut...

[F350Lawman]

Originally Posted by Nathans_Dad

F350 I believe it was you who said something to the effect that Tiger shouldn't be talking about the knee at all...am I wrong on that?

Face it dude, you are way off on this one and your a$$ is showing.

Best to just call it a night and chalk this one up as a lesson in keep your trap shut...

You are very rude for a golfer..ouch..I'm hurtin' now. Oh, and I should keep my trap shut..but your not sure what I said?? ..you still don't even know exactly what I wrote and I am wrong?? The original post was about the media's treatment... not a debate on knees.

My ass is showing..if so I am not the only one...thanks for the company. Ask your surgeon if they would prefer you go golf or play a game of tackle football as you return to action from a knee injury. Now I am sure they might plead with you to skip both activities, but which do think they would go more crazy about?? Really what do think would make the Doc more nuts??? Come on you can admit it...

That is really all I claimed.. that returning to golf was not as traumatic as returning to some other sports. That really bothers you??? I guess I offended you and the Golf gods..and this is my punishment, guess I'll probably shoot 100 next week.

You guys are very uptight in this section, lots of name calling and unkind words...better keep the Digitalis nearby.

[nostatic]

yes ignore what everyone else says and blather on. You know ur right so what do you care what a bunch of pansy golfers say? As you were...

[kstar]

Man, this is a weird thread . . . even for here.

[the]

LOL, that's saying a lot!

I was surprised at Rocco's press conference. Maybe it's just a brilliant ploy, but he's basically said he's given up, has nothing left, was just happy to be there, etc.

But then again, Tiger is No. 1, Rocco No. 158, Tiger has something like 70 PGA wins/13 Majors, Rocco has 5 wins/0 majors, maybe it really is a foregone conclusion? Rocco went 4 rounds with Tiger, why not 5, but I guess going head to head for 18 holes with just you and Tiger, and the US Open on the line, is a bit of a different situation.