Magny Cours: any bets?

[Jims5543]

Originally Posted by Joeaksa

Jim,

Use the F1 or BBC sports live feed.

They are 10x better than Fox IMHO.

Joe

Is this live timing? or typed commentary?

Links?

[rusnak]

I'm happy for Massa though. I think he might have locked up his drive w Ferrari next year. And Lucca DiMontezumolo has said that he doen't want Fernando, so it looks like Massa might be safe. He has put in one heck of a year.

Raikonnen had 1rst locked up. He looked so POed on the podium.

[legion]

Originally Posted by rusnak

Jarno Trulli's little bump move to defend his position was a little aggressive. How can they let that go, let Raikonnen's car go (I was just waiting to see him bean Vettel with the exhaust pipe), and hand Hamilton a penalty for a move that could NOT have been avoided? Seems awfully.....French to me.

Yep. Raikonnen should have been black flagged, but because it is Ferrari, they are not penalized.

[Jims5543]

Recap of the race in text and video form here:

http://axisofoversteer.blogspot.com/2008/06/2008-french-gp-wrap-up.html

legion - if flailing body parts were reason for black flags, McLaren, during the Kimi years would have been flagged in a lot of races) their mirrors were always flailing around about to come off in a lot of races. Funny, because no one yelled for them to be black flagged back then.


How much does it suck that a Ferrari could still win with an engine falling apart and with holes burned through its intake? He was still able to keep that thing out in front of the field for 20+ laps.

A black flag was probably the only thing they would be able to use to stop Ferrari on Sunday.

[Jims5543]

BTW - I am willing to bet Kimi needs a new engine, he stated he was having a hard time keeping it running during the last few laps.


Did Kimi take his engine mulligan yet? I know each car is allowed one unscheduled engine change without penalty per season.

[legion]

I was waiting for Kimi's car to burst into flames and Massa's to have its right rear wheel fall off...

[Seric]

More interesting race this year than most. Trulli suprised me, good job Jarno.

[nostatic]

Kudos to Trulli for his move. Wasn't aggressive at all imho...if someone wants to pass for a podium position late in the race then they better make the damn pass. He's not obliged to give it to him. I thought that was pretty clean.

[rusnak]

I think if Kovy had made the pass, and kept 3rd, they would have given him a drive through penalty for making an aggressive move. There was contact, but since Kovy didn't gain a position and Trulli kept his, no penalty.

Then there's this:
http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_3726064,00.html

I am surprised continuously at the politics of racing in general, and F1 in particular. This is why F1 can't be cleaned up.

[legion]

Yep, McLaren is not on the list of acceptable race winners and is punished for things that Ferrari is given a free pass for.

Hamilton gets by someone and is forced off the track and gets penalized for the other driver's aggression.

Raikonnen is allowed to drive the last 20 laps of the race with his car smoldering and his red-hot exhaust coming apart--but it's no danger to anyone else.

[nostatic]

FIA

Ferrari

coincidence?!?!?

[rusnak]

guys, I just found this slow mo of Hammy passing Vettel in the Torro Rosso.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=f6Z77h5podw

Vettel was passed cleanly on the straight. Hamilton did not gain position in the chicane. Everything about this video looks authentic and non-tampered with to me. It's depressing.

And then Vettel talks it up as if he's on equal footing with McLaren.
http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=43095

It's pathetic. How can these people look themselves in the mirror? This looks so bad, I wonder about continuing to watch F1 any more.

[legion]

No wonder the FIA is forbidding release of anything but the in-car video: they don't want their blatant favoritism exposed.

Even the announcers during the race were making comments about how if Hamilton had parts of his car hanging off he'd have been black flagged before he had a chance to notice...

[Jims5543]

LOL!! I watched the same Video and I see a guy braking too late, flying off the track, thanking God there is a paved runoff then using it to take a track position instead of eating a wall.

He almost read ends a red bull car in the process.

BTW- How many cars did he rear end on Sunday? I'll answer that for you, two he hit two cars from behind and one was his team mate. That was the times it was documented who knows who else he hit.

He took a position by cutting the chicane that he was going into too hot, that would be why he was passing the car BRAKING for the chicane.

Please, you guys and all your conspiracies drive me nuts. The red cars get their share of penalties as well, didn't Massa get disqualified from the same grand prix that Hambone got his penalty from?

[Jims5543]

Originally Posted by legion

No wonder the FIA is forbidding release of anything but the in-car video: they don't want their blatant favoritism exposed.

Even the announcers during the race were making comments about how if Hamilton had parts of his car hanging off he'd have been black flagged before he had a chance to notice...

You mean like a mirror dangling along for laps before it falls off?

McLaren has had its share of car parts fall off and not once a black flag.


I have the race on Tivo and I have seen the Hambone Penalty pass from outside the car as well and it looks the same way, he is heading into the chicane way too fast to make it.

[rusnak]

Jim,

I don't disagree with you that Ferrari has made up some remarkable improvements to their car over the past month or so. And their engine performance has to be the envy of the paddock. I take nothing away from Ferrari when I see the penalty on Hamilton and think it's unfair.

As for Nostatic's comments all I can say is "wha...?" maybe you are too hurried and too busy to make a more insightful and productive contribution eh?

[Jims5543]

Hamilton kept hitting other cars on track, 2 were rear ended Sunday, should he be penalized?

If Micheal Schumacher had been rear ending cars he was tired of following he would have been crucified by everyone here.

[teenerted1]

Originally Posted by nostatic

FIA

Ferrari

coincidence?!?!?

no

FIA
FIAT
yes

[rusnak]

Jim, what in the world does Hamilto have to do with Schumacher? The two have never raced against each other. It's as if you have to take something away from a Ferrari driver if you agree with a McLaren driver. I don't understand the logic you're using.

And by the way, do you remember Schumacher v Hill Adelaide 1994? How about Schumacher 1997?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQC_LQI1Aiw
watch this and remember that this is Michael St. Schumacher.

If you want to compare Schumacher and Hamilton, remember this would be similar to looking at Schumacher when he still had long curly hair that looked like a white man with a 'fro when he still raced in a green 7-UP car for EDDIE JORDAN. The video is Schumacher in his 4th year.

Again, I'm not advocating a Hamilton/ Schumacher comparison. All I'm saying is in this particular case, how can you say Hamilton's pass should be penalized? When you listen to Vettel explain it, he says Hamilton should have given the place back rather than race on for more positions, simply because Hamilton's car was faster and "he could have repassed me anyway". Since when is that a reason for handing out a drive through penalty? F1 is totally screwed up and rules have become arbitrary tools of revenge and statements of philosophy rather than absolute principals that can be relied upon. Remember there are millions of dollars being invested in this sport. No wonder Porsche has withdrawn from top level racing with a works team. Everything the FIA touches turns to fertilizer.

[teenerted1]

Originally Posted by Jim Cesiro

You mean like a mirror dangling along for laps before it falls off?

McLaren has had its share of car parts fall off and not once a black flag.


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ah yes how soon they forget.

i would have thought the race kimi had with maclaren when he had the tire or the suspension falling apart, would have warented a black flag for his own safety...but no they just went ahead and let him crash late in the race just so shumi could win