GP of Germany **SPOILER**
 

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Practice was today in the wet. McLaren were VERY quick. Could it be another Silverstone?


Great teaser video:

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Make sure to go to Axis of Oversteer if you cannot wait for Fox to show the delay, they are broadcasting the British feed of the race (I think, it might be the German one this week)

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Actually McLaren were quickest by that much because the track condtions were changing, and the track was drying and heating up. I don't think .7s is indicative of the gap from Ferrari, because the track was still drying and Massa and Kimi didn't get another run in before time ran out.

I think we'll see much closer times in qualifying, especially if the weather is dry. The surprise right now is Red Bull (!!) and Mark Webber. Go Mark!

No way is McLaren going to hire another Rosberg, no way no how!

Hope so. There was some very nice passing in the last race.

remember Axis of oversteer is providing a live feed sunday morning.

Are you Jim's evil twin?

I actually signed up with this account and for some stupid reason decided to use my real name, after certain events I decided it was time to go back to my standard screen name.

I asked a moderator about deleting my old screen name but it seem sI have to ask permission for that from the owner.

I am not sure I will get the attention to this matter I want so I am just using the old screen name and letting the other one fade away.

:D

I'm PISSED !!!! It's Saturday and I'm sitting in Koln (Cologne) up North West... Just got in LATE last night/this morning and no way to make it down to Qualifying !!!!

-got to go find a pub with television coverage and a beer.

SPOILER BELOW!!!





Live feed is up, rain may or may not happen.

Cars will be rolling by 8:00 EST.

http://axisofoversteer.blogspot.com/2008/07/german-gp-live.html

That damn Hamilton kid seems to be dominating again. The nerve of him!:D

Yeah, did you see that pass on Heikki???

Team orders?


Massa sucks.

BTW- McLaren does have the much faster car today. It is painful watching Kimi stuck behind Bob knowing he could be chasing down Hambone.

Massa sucks.

Best in the business! With some experience, maybe the best ever!http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/im...icon_super.gif

Wow! What a great race.

Jim - you might want to edit your title with ***spoiler*** since the broadcast is delayed.

Ian

Fixed


I was refraining from saying too much so as to not give it totally away.

It was painful being a Kimi fan today and watching Ferrari throw away another weekend.

A question came to mind today, is it possible Hambone can actually develop a car?

It was also funny to see Nelson come in on the podium right after Alonso said he needed to step up, then Alonso ends up spinning out and coming in 11th. It looks like a 1 stopper was the best strategy today.

Massa made an ass out of himself today driving along in a fog not pushing and content with Second behind Nelson. He didn't even deserve 3rd place.

Now 7 points separate the top 3 in the WC, I have to wonder if Ferrari will ever get its crap together.

King Hambone? What did he lose, almost 30 seconds to "safeties" (lame term by the way). Had that not been the case, he'd have been ahead by nearly a minute. Ferrari will be offering him part ownership soon.

Edit: Joe is right. Spoiler should be in the thread title.

Ian

Hmmm, wish I had not opened this thread. Have not seen the race yet. Thanks guys! :(

I'd almost say that that has to be the case. McLaren was obviously a slower car earlier on in the season and I don't think the improvements are coming from Kovalainen. Maybe in his second season, Lewis has picked up the other critical skill in F1.

Wow, great race ... gotta give Hammy credit. His driving saved the day after the team's strategy mistake of not bringing him in once pit lane opened during the safety car.

Massa, on the other hand, is gonna need a "brain coach" after his performance last race in the wet and now the pass that Lewis put on him today.

it's easy to pass when you run the other guy off the road. had Schumi made a pass like this a few years ago everyone would have been screaming how dastardly and evil he was for making such a move, but since Hamilton is a media darling, it's considered brilliant. just goes to show, it's not what you do, it's not who you know, it's not how briliant you are, or any other tired cliche. it's other people's perceptions that determine your worth

unbelievable driving today. I doubt that the driver is responsible for the car development. Race setup, maybe. But development..hmmm.

There is simply not enough on-track testing to develop the car. McLaren seem to have developed and tuned the suspension. It was odd to see Ferrari come to the German GP so far out of tune, and struggling for balance. They seemed disorganized.

I think what is setting Hamilton apart is his confidence and reflexes. He is able to save a missed apex like no one's business, and is perfectly right at home right on the edge where he is extracting the last bit of speed from the car. He makes the car's ragged edge seem a mile wide.

Great race. Lot's of passing. Hamilton had a great race, but in car a step ahead of the rest. It's too bad Fox cut away right as they were about to show Hamilton's pass on Massa. I was hoping they would show a replay, but NOPE... Thank god the races are going back to Speed.


Check it out before Bernie has it removed.

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Joe I tried to edit the title and could not. I did put 2 giant spoilers in the thread so you a could stop reading on.

Whew. Safe to talk now? I saw your spoiler notices, Jim. It looked fine to me but some might read on or just read their email notices.

Anyway . . . that was a great race. Hamilton did the job very nicely & that made for a very entertaining race.

Ian

Neil re-watching the the "pass" in that clip I have to agree ronin, that was a really dirty pass, putting your front tire in the sidepod of the other car and pushing it off the track is hardly good racing.

That is a moot point anyway, Hambone should have NEVER caught Massa, Massa should have been in front of Nelson 10 laps ago why he was cruising along for the last 20 laps is beyond me.

It was a well deserved win for Hambone and McLaren and once again Ferrari are running from the track with their tail between their legs.

Look again at 1:52 to 1:54 of the video. Hamilton is on full right lock, so he is turning as sharp as he can. The car is in a drift, and the front right wheel briefly locks up. Hamilton missed the apex because he had to adjust his line. I think it would not have been possible to give Massa much more room than he did.

To catch another driver, and pull alongside like that, your car has to be a lot faster. Ferrari just did not have enough car today.

Come on guys. When Lewis pulls up behind him, he goes side to side like he's warming up the tires. He knew Hamilton was WAY faster. That move to pull back alongside was a joke. If Ferrari complains they're wimps, but Bernie will probably fine McLaren a few mil. The term for that exhibition was DOMINANCE. He is easily the best in F1. Schumaker 2.0:D

I think I'll wait for a FEW drivers championships before proclaiming THAT!

No excuses being made here but this answered a big question for me. I could not understand how Massa could not get around Nelson. It seems he was having brake problems at the end and was glad to finish 3rd. If this is true or not I do not know but it makes total sense considering Ferrari's pace in relation to Renault and considering Heidfeld was moving in on him too.

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=35483


I guess I have to take back my sucking comment.

I am reading 7 different web sites post race gleaming as much info as I can. This is why I love the F1 season it is a lot of fun reading all the back stories post and pre race that make the races so interesting.

This sums up what I had rattling around in my head after watching the race:

Planet F1 on Kimi (I feel they missed the mark on Massa so I am not going there) then hinting at what I said earlier, can Hamilton be capable of setting up a car, can he give the feedback and have the understanding to actually work with the race engineer to get the proper setup efficiently only have to fine tune for race day. Meanwhile Kimi cannot seem to get it right?

Hambone sux. That was a bogus pass, Massa had a choice between letting the punk past or letting the punk wreck him.

I'd have taken him out if he tried to put me in the wall like that.
Guess that's just one of a thousand reasons I don't drive F1 for a living.

What was that about Hambone being humble Mule?

http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_3847537,00.html

Hamilton: 'Massa didn't defend very well'


I kind of wish Massa would have just stuck him with his side pod now, instead of giving Ham room to run him off the track.

What was that about Hambone being humble Mule?

http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_3847537,00.html

Hamilton: 'Massa didn't defend very well'


I kind of wish Massa would have just stuck him with his side pod now, instead of giving Ham room to run him off the track.

And now, 2 races later Hmbone goes from flunky to Senna,..... again.

http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_3847471,00.html

A bit like King Shumy used to do...?

C'mon Lewis Hamilton is young, talented and fast. It has that arrogance and sense of being superior that puts him on a different level.

He reminds me of Senna and Schumacher.

He still makes stupid mistakes like in Canada and France (he should have just left Vettel overtake him and he would have finished on ther podium) but to me he's becoming quickly the class of f1 right now...

Kimi's up and down form (relative to Massa) is puzzling.

Massa could not have kept Lewis behind yday. No matter how you slice it the McLaren was just too fast.

I have heard people saying that he should have stayed on the right... Well that would have worked for that lap, but the following would have seen Hamilton take the right line and overtake Felipe after the turn...

Massa is great at putting in a fast lap. But he seems to lack the required mental toughness to be champion. And Kimi - not sure what to say. Sometimes it's just like he's phoning it in.

imho Hamilton has the fire in the belly and the smarts/cool to back it up. Sometimes I wonder about Kimi's fire and clearly Massa is a red mist guy. Hamilton does make some bonehead mistakes...we'll see how much of that is inexperience in the coming years. The Silverstone race was amazing though - that was in fact a pretty Senna-esque drive.

If you watched the Silverstone race live, and watched the live timing you would have seen that Kimi was walking Hambone down pretty hard and it was obvious prior to the 1st pitstops that after the 1st pitstops Kimi was going to walk away with the race.

When they chose to keep the scrubbed inters on Kimi's race ended.

This past weekend? A miserable race for Ferrari, as I posted above, Massa was fighting with some sort of braking issue, which makes sense to me because he was actually loosing ground to the Renault as the final laps progressed.

Its amazing, 3 races ago Hambone was a doofus that could not get it right and now 2 wins later he is Senna.

I would reckon Ferrari is about to have a big come to Jesus talk with the entire team, Luca di Montezemolo is on fire I am sure.

Crap race from my end.

I was happy to see Kimi make his way back up to sixth from that cluster-f*** of a Safety Car pit. The points are still close! Seriously, the Schumi-Senna comparisons are getting out of hand all over the media. Whatever it takes to sell tickets I guess?

At least Rossi won his first Laguna race with a insanely intense battle with Stoner. Go Doctor!

i don't think there's anything wrong with what hamilton did to massa in the overtake. he was clearly the better driver in a better car and he took advantage of the track space he had to force massa wide. during any race you'll see lots of the cars forcing other cars into positions they don't want to be in. IMO, that's what makes open wheel racing, and passing, more exciting. get to close and whoooosh, you're out.