Backpackers Beware

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by RPKESQ

Thats all you got?

It's all you merit.

Now did you have any point at all, or were these last couple posts just 100% flame content?

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by HardDrive

Yes, yes, lets make war on the bears. Those crafty bears are on the verge of wiping us humans out.

I have no idea how you could come to make this statement based on what i said...

But then this seems to be par for the course with you generally speaking.

Please explain to me how me simply pointing out that bears eat joggers and that turnabout is fairplay equates to mankind launching a war on the MkI Grizzly bear?

Originally Posted by Moses

They are just big cuddly fuzz balls.

Say, didn't that individual get ate by a grizzly bear?

I believe someone posted the audio tape of the bear eating the man and his girlfriend.

Originally Posted by Danimal16

You can have your honorless wit, I'll take character and service.

Thanks for the backup Dan. The feeling is mutual bro.

Originally Posted by BSiple

Crap, I thought I had frenchy on ignore.

[nostatic]

Originally Posted by HardDrive

Yes, yes, lets make war on the bears. Those crafty bears are on the verge of wiping us humans out.

yeah, yeah...I know...it was only a matter of time until someone played the Yogi card...

[Dottore]

Originally Posted by Bill Douglas

The sad thing is that beautiful beast was probably having a great life minding it's own business until those two guys came along with some sort of inadequacy complex.

I agree entirely. And I'm not a tree hugger.

These are majestic animals. They are not our natural predators. Once in a while, relatively seldom, we get in their way and someone gets hurt.

But to hunt them for sport—just to put that rug on your floor—I just don't get it.

[m21sniper]

Great white sharks are majestic animals too. I'd have no moral problem seeing one of those killed either.

[nostatic]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

Great white sharks are majestic animals too. I'd have no moral problem seeing one of those killed either.

You're not going to go in the water anyway, so why should you care?

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by Dottore

These are majestic animals. They are not our natural predators.

That has no "bearing" whatsoever on an animal's place in the food chain or in nature. Cows aren't our predators either, but because they're not "majestic", few people have a problem with raising them like crops just to slaughter and eat. At least hunting is a little more involved than going to the meat counter at your local grocer.

[RPKESQ]

Originally Posted by Danimal16

As if you know anything about it. Stay in france

Are you the one who is the American in Paris? Be careful, the Frenchmen I have met are pretty sick of imported problems. And they fight for France. I am sure you will avail yourself when the time comes. Or will you? You can have your honorless wit, I'll take character and service.

I suggest you learn before speaking. Just because I work in France does not mean I am any less knowledgeable or less of an American. Or did not serve.

If by "character and service" you mean some nitwit who speaks with much ignorance, diaper is your man; and you are following in his footsteps so close that if he stops short, you will "know" him in a biblical sense.

[lm6y]

Not at all impressed. If you aren't going to eat it, don't kill it period. That's what makes humans such pieces of ****.

[Dottore]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

That has no "bearing" whatsoever on an animal's place in the food chain or in nature. Cows aren't our predators either, but because they're not "majestic", few people have a problem with raising them like crops just to slaughter and eat. At least hunting is a little more involved than going to the meat counter at your local grocer.

No. And hunting for meat or need is one thing. Hunting for sport—particularly an animal as majestic and scarce as a large Grizzly—is to my way of thinking obscene.

But I realize I won't persuade you of this, and that the gun culture trumps all in your neck of the woods.

As I mentioned in the wildlife photography thread, I recently met a man who lives with these animals for weeks at a time and photographs them. I attach a couple of pics below.

If you ask me who is the more evolved human being—those two hunters in the photograph who kill these animals for sport, or the person who took the photos below—well, I think you know what my answer will be.

We're all on this planet together. And everything is connected.

[turbocarrera]

Humans take the biggest buck, or the giant bear - sometimes for meat but sometimes for something to mount - almost never the weak or the old, as in nature. This is not survival of the fittest or natural selection. Apex animals are the strength of the species, do most of the breeding and we are seriously messing up some important parts of the food chain. We have to respect peoples rights to hunt, I have two uncles who live in the bush and trap/hunt their entire diet, but people that lay waste to the pinnacle of a species and just take a souvenir really need to be educated. It's a huge industry in Canada and it needs to stop.

Not saying this guy was doing that.

Ursus arctos horribilis!

[RPKESQ]

Most "sport" hunting is not very sporting. Tree stands for species that do not look up for natural predetors, long range firearm use, hunting from vehicles, "shinning", canned hunts, runing down game with dogs to tree them, on and on.

I am a hunter, I take great pride in making sure the animal has at least a 50% chance of escape and survival. I am ashamed at the shortcuts and needless cheating by those who are incapable of really hunting.

Bears like this are too valuable to waste. I'm not saying this one was wasted, I don't have enough information to make any such statement. But Jeff has a hunters heart and I wouldn't think he posted an example of poor hunting.

BTW, a .30"30 is plenty for any bear that is not attacking. Hundreds of thousands of bears have been killed with this cartridge. Shot placement is the key, as always.

[Fishman7]

I know for a fact the bear died faster and more humane then the cows we slaughter, ever been to a slaughter house? We have the largest slaughter (cow) house east of the Mississippi here in Northern, Pa, looks great from the outside but man it is a sad place; they taste good though.

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

That has no "bearing" whatsoever on an animal's place in the food chain or in nature. Cows aren't our predators either, but because they're not "majestic", few people have a problem with raising them like crops just to slaughter and eat. At least hunting is a little more involved than going to the meat counter at your local grocer.

[Fishman7]

I do not hunt but all of my brothers hunt and you obviously have not been in a tree stand bow hunting for a whitetail. I have sat in a tree stand, even if they can't see you, hear you or smell, you they know you are there. Better yet go out in the woods and try to call in a gobbler, not an easy thing to do, I forgot you have to shot the dame thing to.

Originally Posted by RPKESQ

Most "sport" hunting is not very sporting. Tree stands for species that do not look up for natural predetors, long range firearm use, hunting from vehicles, "shinning", canned hunts, runing down game with dogs to tree them, on and on.

I am a hunter, I take great pride in making sure the animal has at least a 50% chance of escape and survival. I am ashamed at the shortcuts and needless cheating by those who are incapable of really hunting.

Bears like this are too valuable to waste. I'm not saying this one was wasted, I don't have enough information to make any such statement. But Jeff has a hunters heart and I wouldn't think he posted an example of poor hunting.

BTW, a .30"30 is plenty for any bear that is not attacking. Hundreds of thousands of bears have been killed with this cartridge. Shot placement is the key, as always.

[Fishman7]

Heck the next thing you guys are going to tell me is that catch and release fishing isn't humane because the fish was let go with a boo boo, I have a feeling some of you guys would starve to death if the local butcher wasn't doing the nasty work for you.

[RPKESQ]

Originally Posted by Fishman7

I do not hunt but all of my brothers hunt and you obviously have not been in a tree stand bow hunting for a whitetail. I have sat in a tree stand, even if they can't see you, hear you or smell, you they know you are there. Better yet go out in the woods and try to call in a gobbler, not an easy thing to do, I forgot you have to shot the dame thing to.

I have been bow hunting since I was 10. I have tried tree stands and I see the advantage. It is unacceptable to me. I have a picture of my brother sitting under a tree picking a tail feather off of a wild turkey from ten feet away when the turkey wandered too close while we were resting after walking the hills all morning stalking deer.

I'm always impressed when someone using unfair advantages tells me how hard it is........

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by lm6y

Not at all impressed. If you aren't going to eat it, don't kill it period. That's what makes humans such pieces of ****.

actually, other animals will kill for reasons other than food or competition too -- some appear to be killing "just for fun" - altho the usual wording in scientific journals is different

[nostatic]

Originally Posted by RWebb

actually, other animals will kill for reasons other than food or competition too -- some appear to be killing "just for fun" - altho the usual wording in scientific journals is different

Domesticated house cats come to mind...

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

... it is well established fact that controlled hunting is extremely beneficial to the hunted species as a whole, as it keeps the population fit and viable.

- Wrong.

In fact, it is demonstrated that trophy hunting tends to remove the biggest animals, with the biggest racks, etc., and this in turn selects for smaller, reduced rack size animals. The latest study done is in cervids, but should apply to bears re body size.

You may be thinking of wolves or African Wild Dogs running down gazelles -- there, the old, the young, and sick are removed from the herd differentially. Genetically defective animals should be removed also. However the relation between that and mean population fitness has never been established.

SO... keepin' it real.

[slakjaw]

Originally Posted by RWebb

actually, other animals will kill for reasons other than food or competition too -- some appear to be killing "just for fun" - altho the usual wording in scientific journals is different

+1

I love it when people think "nature" is so peaceful and what not.