Backpackers Beware

[jeffgrant]

Originally Posted by nostatic

Domesticated house cats come to mind...

They can be quite evil, actually. Our cats tended to play with their "toys" for quite a while before they were killed.

[Fishman7]

We all should be scared of you, you must be the best hunter in the world. TV show maybe? LOL

I have tried tree stands and I see the advantage. It is unacceptable to me. I have a picture of my brother sitting under a tree picking a tail feather off of a wild turkey from ten feet away when the turkey wandered too close while we were resting after walking the hills all morning stalking deer.

I'm always impressed when someone using unfair advantages tells me how hard it is........[/QUOTE]

[slakjaw]

I think that anyone who is against hunting should go tour your local slaughter house. It is a disgusting process. At least the animals people hunt have a fighting chance and got to live a decent life.

I was lucky enough to get a tour once. its like a Dis-assembly line where seconds equal money. The tour started at the end product and ended where they were bolting the cows. That was quite an experience!

[Danimal16]

Originally Posted by RPKESQ

I suggest you learn before speaking. Just because I work in France does not mean I am any less knowledgeable or less of an American. Or did not serve.

If by "character and service" you mean some nitwit who speaks with much ignorance, diaper is your man; and you are following in his footsteps so close that if he stops short, you will "know" him in a biblical sense.

SO man of mystery just who are you to be able to beg for latitude in sniping from afar? I have had some run ins on this board and if I am wrong I will admit it. I have been known to PM regrets. There are many folks on this board that get on my nerves when we are politically beating each other over the head, and quit often, they are right and I am wrong. I actually enjoy getting my a$$ kicked by them, as they teach me something. I respect them as they have shown me otherwise, and in cases made me look a blithering fool. Such is the cost of an education.

You on the other hand have an acerbic presentation, often arrogant and I see nothing that you have presented in such a manner that allows you to be such. Now that is my humble opinion, if you can prove me wrong you will have my respect. We may not agree, but I am sure that you could than teach me something.

As far as where I put my nose, well you are entitled to your opinion. I assure you that it has never been up someone's keaster; my boot on the other hand . . .

[911pcars]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

In rural areas countless thousands of Americans are supported by the donation of meat harvested by hunters and given to charities.

And of course it is well established fact that controlled hunting is extremely beneficial to the hunted species as a whole, as it keeps the population fit and viable.

Grizzlies are not known to overproduce, deer maybe. In fact, they are a threatened species and on the borderline of being protected. While some grizzlies have been known to eat humans, they don't go out of their way to do so unless threatened (mom with cubs, too close, etc.). If human meat was their main course, they'd be stalking the campsites right now.

Just to get this straight. Most hunters hunt to bag a trophy and for the thrill of hunting. The side benefit of food for the masses is a nice thought but pretty much a rationale, especially when the target is a grizzly. Let's not try to justify the "sport" by telling us how early in the morning hunters rise, the cold temperatures they endure or the miles they walk to get from point a to point b. My wife does that every morning with her crazy jogging friends.

Sherwood

[RPKESQ]

We all kill things.

There is no escaping it. Every day we each kill millions of living creatures. Drive a car? You're smashing bugs. Use mouthwash? You're killing germs. Eat beef, fish, chicken?Killer. Wear leather items? Killer. Wear cotton clothing? Millions of acres of animal habitat has been ruined by cotton cultivation, killing animals again. There is no difference between the germ and the deer. Both are equal in natures eyes. Man applies more "value" to the deer, but that is based on emotion only, not rationality. Man is part of nature and cannot escape it, but how you fit in can be controlled.

It is not the killing that is distasteful. It is the how and why that is important. Need to kill to feel like a man? That is so sad. Need a trophy? How very sad.

What you kill (or support killing) should be judged by how and why. For example: I no longer eat sushi that contains endangered species. I no longer eat factory farmed animals. You have a choice.

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by Dottore

No. And hunting for meat or need is one thing. Hunting for sport—particularly an animal as majestic and scarce as a large Grizzly—is to my way of thinking obscene.

But I realize I won't persuade you of this, and that the gun culture trumps all in your neck of the woods.

Well, I've never been a hunter. I have nothing against it, just am not into it. However, if I were hiking in bear country, I would definitely bring a gun, even if I weren't already a gun nut. There is no other defense against such a large beast. I wouldn't enjoy killing a bear, but I wouldn't hesitate to kill anything in a "him or me" situation.

[slakjaw]

Ya know, I dont know 1 hunter who is all that concerned with getting a trophy. But I would like to hear you explain how wanting a trophy makes it wrong.

[Danimal16]

Originally Posted by RPKESQ

BTW, a .30"30 is plenty for any bear that is not attacking. Hundreds of thousands of bears have been killed with this cartridge. Shot placement is the key, as always.

That cartridge will not stop a half ton griz. There have been numerous instances where soft point 30.06 have failed to penetrate. These are huge animals.

I do concur that the shot placement is key, and taking down such a large animal, especially if it is charging requires great skill or high power.

By the way, what was the cartridge that dropped that animal? Just curious, If it was a 30 30 I'm an a$$ bag.

[slakjaw]

I kill pheasants, they taste pretty good.

I send the tail feathers to my cousin who makes flys out of them and uses them to kill fish. Mostly Trout as I understand it.

Its like a cycle of killing.

[TerryH]

Originally Posted by RWebb

"jogger better be in shape.."

a bear can run 40 mph -- over broken ground

no human can go that fast - even on cinders

Jog with a slow friend. Then you don't have to outrun the bear, just your friend.

[RPKESQ]

Originally Posted by Danimal16

SO man of mystery just who are you to be able to beg for latitude in sniping from afar? I have had some run ins on this board and if I am wrong I will admit it. I have been known to PM regrets. There are many folks on this board that get on my nerves when we are politically beating each other over the head, and quit often, they are right and I am wrong. I actually enjoy getting my a$$ kicked by them, as they teach me something. I respect them as they have shown me otherwise, and in cases made me look a blithering fool. Such is the cost of an education.

You on the other hand have an acerbic presentation, often arrogant and I see nothing that you have presented in such a manner that allows you to be such. Now that is my humble opinion, if you can prove me wrong you will have my respect. We may not agree, but I am sure that you could than teach me something.

As far as where I put my nose, well you are entitled to your opinion. I assure you that it has never been up someone's keaster; my boot on the other hand . . .

I'm sure you are trying to sound opened minded, but "man of mystery" and "sniping from afar" are just negative insinuations with no basis. What mystery? You want to know something? Ask, before you voice an opinion. From "afar"? This is the internet, silly. I could be sitting next to you. The fact that I do spend a lot of time in other countries, should not dictate your assumptions.

I'm sure much of what I post seems "an acerbic presentation, often arrogant" but positions of ignorant dogmatic opinion often see things that do not conform to their narrow world-view that way. Just check the facts and validate from several sources and you too, can learn.

As to proving myself? Please, all you have offered is baseless opinion, if you can run with that, why look for proof?

It wasn't your nose that I was speaking about...... or do you walk around with your head down there?

[RPKESQ]

[QUOTE=Fishman7;4557433]We all should be scared of you, you must be the best hunter in the world. TV show maybe? LOL
[QUOTE]

No need to be scared, I'm not hunting you.

I'm hardly the hunter my brother is, or for that matter many other hunters I have met through the years. But I try to be the best I can. Every time in every way.
How about you? LOL

[RPKESQ]

Originally Posted by Danimal16

That cartridge will not stop a half ton griz. There have been numerous instances where soft point 30.06 have failed to penetrate. These are huge animals.

I do concur that the shot placement is key, and taking down such a large animal, especially if it is charging requires great skill or high power.

By the way, what was the cartridge that dropped that animal? Just curious, If it was a 30 30 I'm an a$$ bag.

Well you need a lesson on ballistics, thats for sure. Ask Jeff if you don't believe me.
Bullet placement can overcome most bullet constuction problems. Stupidity cannot.

[Monza_dh]

where were you all when this wild animal was wreaking havoc?????

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?t=463850

[911Rob]

Originally Posted by Fishman7

Rob,
You will wish you kept that rifle when the boys come knocking, four girls right? Man are you in trouble, I would have an arsenal!

As I posted; I was starting to think about shooting people with it; and I'm a man of action

I lived next door to a great white hunter in AB. He was also a golfer and we lived on a golf course. We became buddies, golfing at least once per week. He then convinced me that I needed to become a hunter; my son was about 10 at the time and then I could teach him to shoot and hunt.

So I went along...... I just wasn't impressed with the program. Keep in mind I like things like "camp Hilton" and freezing my bag off in the middle of the bush with a bottle of whisky to keep me warm just wasn't my gig.

Him and my other hunting buddies use to eat everything they shot and I mean everything!

MOSES: who in the world is that gal french kissing that bear? Yikes! You wouldn't catch me anywhere near it.

fwiw, I couldn't shoot and kill one of these creatures. I did however work the farm as a youngster and whacking a farm animal meant nothing to me; but then again, it tasted good. Who am I to judge anyone else?

I'm guilty of killing at least a million bugs; per year.

[Rikao4]

go Bear go............
'I hear ya..been told we taste like chicken'



Rika

[911Rob]

I had an ex-RCMP officers cabin listed for sale once; he was a HUGE hunter and had lots of animals stuffed in his cabin. It got that I had to warn people about it before I took them there; some of the reactions were incredible. I saw lots of people cry and one lady broke out in a hysteria, even after I'd warned her.

It's definately difficult for most people.

This was the place:

[slakjaw]

I dont like people that care more about animals than humans.

[Fishman7]

Humans forget that humans are animals also.