Law Enforcement ? - Page 2

Hebrewhomeboy · 06-01-2009, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by onlycafe

i always give nixons number. 567-68-0515.

Oh man, that is one of the funniest things I've heard in a long time. I'm definitely using that sometime!

RWebb · RWebb's Garage

what? the defense? b/c you did not lie to the officer or give him that SSn as yours - note the use of a question.

KevinP73 · 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RWebb

what? the defense? b/c you did not lie to the officer or give him that SSn as yours - note the use of a question.

I agree with your argument in regards to the use of the question but I'm not sure it would hold up in court. I was once asked for my consent to a search of my vehicle. (They ask on the pretense that if you have nothing to hide then you have no reason to not give consent) I declined to give my consent explaining that a duffel bag in the back seat contained my dirty laundry and that I would find it embarrassing to have the officer pawing thru my dirty laundry. The officer explained that he had no concern about my dirty laundry and assured me the utmost discretion would be displayed no matter what he were to find. I voiced my confidence in his ability to be professional in his discovery of my dirty laundry but I'd still find it embarassing and would rather not experience the discomfort especially knowing I had nothing to hide. It seemed like a valid argument to me but I lost in court. The court upheld the officers decision to search based on my refusal to give consent.
In your example you know what the officer is trying to do. Verify your identity. Giving him anything that you know won't result in that would be construed as a lie. Lieing to an officer is an offense in itself.

RWebb · RWebb's Garage

You are off point with that example, but note I did not say lie.

My attorney practice is limited to suing the govt., but the guy next door is crim. def. - he liked it.

KevinP73 · 06-01-2009, 04:48 PM

I would think that if you were going to employ a question, you would be better off asking the officer "Why don't you drop to your knees and kiss my skinny white ass?" The end result would probably be the same without the risk of additional charges like identity theft or lying to a policeman. YMMV

RWebb · RWebb's Garage

you should do whatever you want, kevin

RSWiser · 06-01-2009, 06:13 PM

Health insurance companies are now required to get SS# on all participants, including dependents on Group Health policies. It has to do with reporting to the Feds.

Tobra · Tobra's Garage

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Originally Posted by speeder

I would never give out my SS# to anyone who was not legally entitled to it. I'd love to get arrested for not providing my SS# to a cop. Couldn't wait to see the penal code for that.

yup, I always refuse to give SSN, always

peppy · 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pazuzu

Are you sure? You own/manage a place where someone was sold alcohol until they were inebriated, and the police were called.

Are you *sure* you're not getting in trouble?

I own a Tastee Freez, not a bar. She just wandered in and would not leave.

m21sniper · 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinP73

I agree with your argument in regards to the use of the question but I'm not sure it would hold up in court. I was once asked for my consent to a search of my vehicle. (They ask on the pretense that if you have nothing to hide then you have no reason to not give consent) I declined to give my consent explaining that a duffel bag in the back seat contained my dirty laundry and that I would find it embarrassing to have the officer pawing thru my dirty laundry. The officer explained that he had no concern about my dirty laundry and assured me the utmost discretion would be displayed no matter what he were to find. I voiced my confidence in his ability to be professional in his discovery of my dirty laundry but I'd still find it embarassing and would rather not experience the discomfort especially knowing I had nothing to hide. It seemed like a valid argument to me but I lost in court. The court upheld the officers decision to search based on my refusal to give consent.
In your example you know what the officer is trying to do. Verify your identity. Giving him anything that you know won't result in that would be construed as a lie. Lieing to an officer is an offense in itself.

Where was this? Nazi Germany?

m21sniper · 06-02-2009, 08:31 AM

And i'm pretty damn sure there is no such offense as "lying to a policeman."

Obstruction of justice would not cover giving a cop a bum SSN.

Pazuzu · 06-02-2009, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by peppy

I own a Tastee Freez, not a bar. She just wondered in and would not leave.

Got it.

Joeaksa · 06-02-2009, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by KevinP73

Lieing to an officer is an offense in itself.

Agreed but by law the officer is not legally allowed to use a SSN as a ID number. This is stated in the SSN rules and regulations.

Joeaksa · 06-02-2009, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by 968rz

Right

Just like the deleted juvenile records that they always mention in detail when you're an adult.

You mean the police and prosecutor would like to us?

KevinP73 · 06-02-2009, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by m21sniper

And i'm pretty damn sure there is no such offense as "lying to a policeman."

Obstruction of justice would not cover giving a cop a bum SSN.

Technically I believe it's "providing false information to a police officer".

KevinP73 · 06-02-2009, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by m21sniper

Where was this? Nazi Germany?

Burbank California mid 80's

RWebb · RWebb's Garage

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Originally Posted by KevinP73

Technically I believe it's "providing false information to a police officer".

True - and that is why I put it in the form of a question for you to ASK the cop. I have friends who are/were cops. You obviously don't want to make their day even worse unless they transgress some definite boundaries.

Now, let's get back to the Tastee-Freeze -- in New Orleans you can put all sorts of alcohol into a slush cone, shaved ices, etc.