Stijn!!

[Flieger]

Originally Posted by vas930

Yes, the idea of a soul is nonsence.

Thinking about things like the existance/substance of consciousness (which can be considered in the same regard as a soul) makes me slow down and not get things done. Just like "what happened before the big bang?"

My view is that thsoe things do not affect my life now, so why worry about them. There will always be another question whenever one of those deep questions finds a partial answer. Even things like string theory. Who cares if it is how things actually are if the results/equations work out and we can't prove the stuff beyond that?

I feel that for those big questions it is just easier to say "An eternal God created the universe at this point and this is how it has evolved over time." Much simpler than spending one's life searching for a scientific answer that might never come and which is not of any practical use.

That is why I like engineering. Applying math and science to the real world.

Oh, and I like freewill, too.

[Outback Porsche]

Only a quick visit - heading home on the 8th Jan

Be nice to go for a run along the Great Ocean Rd in the Porsche, but the 944 will be staying in Alice. Actually it's still up on car stands in pieces and I'm trying to get time to get it back together before we come down. It looks like I'm fighting a loosing battle. I've hired an SV6 for the 12 days I'm down.

I haven't been your way for a very long time (used to live in Sale 20 somthing years ago, and spent a bit of time down the Prom and the Island), perhaps I can talk the war office into catching the ferry across for a coffee?

[Flieger]

So I got that goin' for me. Which is nice.

[vas930]

They do affect your life, Max.
Its the basic need to understand how things come about.
Without understanding the thing looking, we cant move on.
It becomes a war of opinion, rather than fact.
And that is the problem we now have.
This is why we have conflict on both a personal and global scale.
If you want to have an eternal god ,thats fine.
However, that wont help us out of our mess.
Man has tried that since the birth of thought, it has created a great deal of conflict.
And no answers to mans suffering.

[nynor]

i don't think it is strep throat, as my upper airway does not look at all like this:

https://www.google.com/search?q=strep+throat&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=4Lu&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=R5nyTsv6D6nfiALNwInEDg&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CBIQ_AUoAQ&biw=1015&bih=629

[vas930]

Originally Posted by Outback Porsche

Only a quick visit - heading home on the 8th Jan

Be nice to go for a run along the Great Ocean Rd in the Porsche, but the 944 will be staying in Alice. Actually it's still up on car stands in pieces and I'm trying to get time to get it back together before we come down. It looks like I'm fighting a loosing battle. I've hired an SV6 for the 12 days I'm down.

I haven't been your way for a very long time (used to live in Sale 20 somthing years ago, and spent a bit of time down the Prom and the Island), perhaps I can talk the war office into catching the ferry across for a coffee?

Sale!
I grew up in Traralgon.
I may come over for a run.
Lets see how things pan out.

[vas930]

Well, glad its not that, D.

[porsche4life]

Evening guys, we are bunking down for the night about 60miles NE of Phoenix. After dinner I'll post more.

[HHI944]

Drinking my way through a magic hat winter beer sampler, burning a few sticks I had stashed, listening to smashing pumpkins and chilling. Only thing that would make this better is getting the res head out here instead of texting.

[Flieger]

Originally Posted by vas930

They do affect your life, Max.
Its the basic need to understand how things come about.
Without understanding the thing looking, we cant move on.
It becomes a war of opinion, rather than fact.
And that is the problem we now have.
This is why we have conflict on both a personal and global scale.
If you want to have an eternal god ,thats fine.
However, that wont help us out of our mess.
Man has tried that since the birth of thought, it has created a great deal of conflict.
And no answers to mans suffering.

I do not believe that even if everyone on the planet knew how the universe came into being that it would stop wars. Although, many wars start because people are arguing over gods.

So the best solution must be to say f it and just get along with life. Now about those girls on the beach...

[nynor]

Originally Posted by HHI944

Drinking my way through a magic hat winter beer sampler, burning a few sticks I had stashed, listening to smashing pumpkins and chilling. Only thing that would make this better is getting the res head out here instead of texting.

???

[slodave]

I'm guessing he means cigars.

[Flieger]

res head?

[nynor]

or....

Originally Posted by slodave

I'm guessing he means cigars.

[Flieger]

He must be stoned.

[vas930]

Originally Posted by Flieger

I do not believe that even if everyone on the planet knew how the universe came into being that it would stop wars. Although, many wars start because people are arguing over gods.

So the best solution must be to say f it and just get along with life. Now about those girls on the beach...

Max, how the universe came about is a small portion of it.
Looking into why we act as we do, is the important stuff.
No point in arguing over gods without understanding the origin of belief itself.
Thats why its important.

[HHI944]

Nope just mobile and a little buzzed. Stupid DROID bionic is still adapting to my typing.

Cigars and red head are the appropriate answers.

[Flieger]

Originally Posted by vas930

Max, how the universe came about is a small portion of it.
Looking into why we act as we do, is the important stuff.
No point in arguing over gods without understanding the origin of belief itself.
Thats why its important.

Well then that is a psychological and anthropological thing then, why we believe what we believe.

Or do you mean how/why we can believe anything at all? (consciousness, the mind)

Anyway, this is getting too heavy for me.

[vas930]

Ok.

[Flieger]