Stijn!!

[livi]

Yes, absolutely Stijn. Although less in private homes. Mostly in larger buildings and even so the expected energy harvested is mostly just a relatively small part of the total consumption.

[Jim Richards]

Markus, does Sweden offer financial incentives to homeowners that want to put in solar cells? Stijn, does Belgium?

[svandamme]

Ok, so warming up mashed potatoes and baking a Schnitzel on the electric stove was good for about 200 Watt.
So on a greywinterday i can use my computer + cook 1 easy meal (no soup, no stew, no fancy oven dishes). Anything more will have to be powered by the grid.

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by Jim Richards

Markus, does Sweden offer financial incentives to homeowners that want to put in solar cells? Stijn, does Belgium?

yeah, they do, in fact, quite a bit.

10500 investment
- 620 by the city
- 4200 off my taxes next year

That brings the investment cost down to 5680


And it doesn't stop there.
For each 1000Kwh produced, i will get a "green power certificate".
they are worth 270 euro , guaranteed for 20 years
(used to be more, early adopters still get 500 euro per certificate).

in my case that's bout 810 euro / year

And the energy produced i can keep for myself, or sell back
It's not worth to sell back, the price is to low to make an actual profit in that.


ROI is 4.5 year.. the investment is covered by a subsidized, green loan with the government paying 1% off the interest.

Basically it's a no brainer, it's over subsidized.

But hey, i'm not complaining. I figured they were going to pull hte plug on the subsidies real soon, in fact the 620 of the city ends 4 December this year.
And the government is doing the 2012 budget now, which makes me think the subsidies will be cut severely next year.

Hence why i jumped on it now, as opposed to the earlier plan to do it next year...

Basically i slapped about the price of half a 3.2 Carrera on the roof of my garage... so i would save the cost of a full 911 over the 20-30 years

[livi]

Originally Posted by Jim Richards

Markus, does Sweden offer financial incentives to homeowners that want to put in solar cells? Stijn, does Belgium?

Yes, Jim. I don´t know to what extent though.

[livi]

Originally Posted by svandamme

Ok, so warming up mashed potatoes and baking a Schnitzel on the electric stove was good for about 200 Watt.
So on a greywinterday i can use my computer + cook 1 easy meal (no soup, no stew, no fancy oven dishes). Anything more will have to be powered by the grid.

So charging your electric toothbrush will shut down your computer.

[livi]

Thus, if you want to surf Pelican, cook AND charge your toothbrush you could perhaps build a small generator and put it on a stationary bike. Then you could mount your laptop on the handle and keep surfing while producing energy. As a bonus you will get a nice workout!

[livi]

Joking aside, I think you are on the right track. With the rising energy costs my electric bills last winter (in my old house) were ghastly. During November - March I payed the equivalent of roughly Euro 1000 per month.

[livi]

flying to salt
lake city
seats 3a and b
i was down and needed
a window
but in 3a sat mitzi dupree

[Jim Richards]

Originally Posted by livi

Joking aside, I think you are on the right track. With the rising energy costs my electric bills last winter (in my old house) were ghastly. During November - March I payed the equivalent of roughly Euro 1000 per month.

1000 Euros / month? Yikes!!!

[livi]

Yes. Horrible. It was a large almost 100 years old house with windows so badly isolated that whenever there was a bit of windy weather you could feel it blow right through. Glad I managed to sell it.

[RKDinOKC]

Mertnin

[livi]

Who?

[RKDinOKC]

frivolous post

[RKDinOKC]

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by livi

Joking aside, I think you are on the right track. With the rising energy costs my electric bills last winter (in my old house) were ghastly. During November - March I payed the equivalent of roughly Euro 1000 per month.

are you heating with electricity or something?

unless you are, electric bills should not be much affected by the weather/season

So heating and AC are the only variables that "should" affect your total consumption.

I'm around 3200 kwh a year, which is quite a bit for a single person in a house.
But that does include warm water production..

Other then that, heating is done with a gas stove, which costs me about 35 euro a month.. and that was prior to insulating the roof.

I will now evaluate the amount of gas i use, and if it dropped down enough, i won't install a Central heating, but might just install a decent heattile stove...
don't know the right term, it's a basically a stove with stones that heat up, and then give off heat over a period of time, even when the fire is out.

[livi]

Hilarious!

[livi]

Stijn, I had direct electricity and around 80% was heating.

[nynor]

Originally Posted by livi

flying to salt
lake city
seats 3a and b
i was down and needed
a window
but in 3a sat mitzi dupree

when are you getting here? if i am not scheduled to work, i am happy to pick you up from the airport.

[porsche4life]

I think that is just his attempt at prose... I don't think he is actually flying anywhere..