Compassion - Page 3

m21sniper · 10:27 AM

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If you do not wish to help, why encourage others not to?

If you do not want to do good, then at least do no harm.

To the contrary, it is the do gooders that are doing harm. Immense harm. By propping up unsustainable populations of incomprehensibly poor people (who breed like rabbits) all over the world they are merely ENSURING that world hunger and poverty will never end.

Think about it.

If you want to help an overpopulated herd you cull it, you don't start airdropping grain feed into the forest....

johnnywishbone · johnnywishbone's Garage

"My wife is a physician, and would like to go and help, but she is leaving the 20th to fly to Indian for 10 days"

that is good. the u.s. government will send more massive piles of money to haiti. it's what we do. big fat piles of taxpayer money. if you paid your taxes, you did far more than your fair share to help those in need. guilt? i think not.

alf · 01-16-2010, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by m21sniper

to the contrary, it is the do gooders that are doing harm. Immense harm. By propping up unsustainable populations of incomprehensibly poor people (who breed like rabbits) all over the world they are merely ENSURING that world hunger and poverty will never end.

Think about it.

If you want to help an overpopulated herd you cull it, you don't start airdropping grain feed into the forest....

Was not really talking about you but since you are speaking to me....

Then the logical solution for you would be to go there and do some sniping/culling, for your common good.

Before you do realize that there are numerous events in our history that you should think about that such thoughs have lead to...

m21sniper · 01-16-2010, 04:44 PM

I am sure the crisis in haiti(that's been going on since god knows when) will be over in 10 days.

m21sniper · 01-16-2010, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by alf

Was not really talking about you but since you are speaking to me....

Then the logical solution for you would be to go there and do some sniping/culling, for your common good.

Before you do realize that there are numerous events in our history that you should think about that such thoughs have lead to...

I don't need to snipe anyone. Nature will take care of the situation on it's own if we let it.

Survival of the fittest absolutely, positively works. What doesn't work is the human "solution."

alf · 01-16-2010, 04:53 PM

I see, so if you should fall no one sould come to your aid and if a child is dying in front of you, you will not help.

Chalk it up to survival of the fittest and walk away?

Dottore · 01-16-2010, 04:56 PM

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Yeah. Help. Help them to do what? Live long lives of abject poverty, sickness, and overcrowding in a tin shanty town?

Is that help?

You try to help to alleviate human suffering from injury, hunger and thirst...and the horror of having lost your home and family to this tragedy.

Not all Haitians live in shantytowns—but even of those that do, many lead meaningful if modest lives full of the same dreams and aspirations as you and I.

Do you really believe that your little life spent chatting up skanks on the internet is somehow inherently more noble, meaningful and valuable than that of a poor schoolteacher in Port au Prince?

I would encourage you to go to Haiti, see the extent of the current suffering there, and then talk to these people about the importance of "culling the herd".

You are one sick puppy, sniper.

m21sniper · 05:03 PM

How the heck would you know what kind of lives people in shanty towns can live? You encourage me to go to a shanty town...have you been to any Haitian shanty towns? I know plenty of people that have, including a relative that served there back during Clinton's little Haitian excursion. We also have this thing called TV, and other things called books and the internet. One does not need to go somewhere to see filth first hand to know what it looks like. (trust me, i have more experience traveling in ghettos than probably anyone on this board) Those people might as well just go to hell, their lives would be better.

Seriously, you absolutely crack me up.

m21sniper · 01-16-2010, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by alf

I see, so if you should fall no one sould come to your aid and if a child is dying in front of you, you will not help.

Chalk it up to survival of the fittest and walk away?

Some day i will fall. That's life.

Tobra · Tobra's Garage

Those farm women are tough as nails, hell women in general are way tougher than men.

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The Dali Lama is a pussy.

Big hitter the Lama

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Or perhaps people are just posting politically charged topics in PPOT instead of PARF where they belong.

Maybe, didn't the Dot pledge not to go there in 2010?

Dottore · 01-16-2010, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by m21sniper

How the heck would you know what kind of lives people in shanty towns can live? You encourage me to go to a shanty town...have you been to any Haitian shanty towns?

I've been in shantytowns in Manila and Jakarta that I imagine are very similar. I worked on a project to put public toilets and running water into one particularly nasty shantytown in Jakarta.

I have not been to Haiti—but have spoken to some people who go regularly—including one doctor friend who has been volunteering for Doctors Without Borders for years. I have seen his photographs, and I believe the situation is comparable.

Many people in shanty towns lead perfectly normal—if modest—lives. And bear in mind that only a small percentage of the people that died and were injured in Haiti lived in shantytowns.

I still think you are one very sorry f_ck for sitting in judgment of these people.

Tobra · Tobra's Garage

I don't think he is judging the people, he is judging the reaction to poverty that can be expected to broaden it and perpetuate it.

Funny joke there Dueller, heard it as a lawyer being the bad guy, rather than a neo con

alf · 01-16-2010, 05:21 PM

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Some day i will fall. That's life.

In many ways, you already have. Others will naturally come to your aid, that is life.

m21sniper · 07:54 PM

I've been to Camden and Chester. (repoe'd many cars in both places). Then there's North and West Philly....

Shanty towns, American style.

PS: I think you (you being Dottore) are one sorry fk for thinking that sending money and aircraft carriers for a few weeks after a disaster- all so that a horrendous status quo can be maintained- is actually help at all. If we wanted to help these folks we'd take about half of them and dump them off in some deserted corner of some US state. But no way in hell anyone will support that.

PSS: Didn't you say the US should always mind it's business?

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Originally Posted by alf

In many ways, you already have. Others will naturally come to your aid, that is life.

I am not the accepting of help sort. I have never applied for any gov't program, though i am sure i would qualify for some of them. I've never used my VA benefits for anything, even though i "earned" them.

In this life, i will stand or fall on my own, by my own merit. I don't want help from anyone.

DARISC · 01-16-2010, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dottore

...I would encourage you to go to Haiti, see the extent of the current suffering there, and then talk to these people about the importance of "culling the herd".

You are one sick puppy, sniper.

Well said Mark.

But I'm sure your encouragement is falling on deaf ears.

I'm also pretty sure that the stench of cadavers decaying in the Sun cannot even be compared to the stench of the sick and decayed humanity of the truly disheartening number of certain posters here.

m21sniper · 01-16-2010, 05:28 PM

When DARISC is in agreement with your position, it's definitely time to rethink said position.

Dottore · 01-16-2010, 05:36 PM

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I don't think he is judging the people, he is judging the reaction to poverty that can be expected to broaden it and perpetuate it.

But that's the point: It's not a reaction poverty. It's a reaction to a natural catastrophe that has caused untold suffering. It is this suffering that the international aid effort is trying to stem and alleviate. Not the poverty. That's a whole different topic.

To advocate that because they are black and poor, Haitians are "a herd that needs to be culled" and we should leave them alone to die of their injuries, thirst and starvation is a seriously ugly and pathetic viewpoint.

That's what I take issue with.

Christien · Christien's Garage

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Survival of the fittest absolutely, positively works. What doesn't work is the human "solution."

Aren't you the one one sitting at home on worker's comp or something? If you lived by your own diction, you'd be dead.

m21sniper · 06:09 PM

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Aren't you the one one sitting at home on worker's comp or something? If you lived by your own diction, you'd be dead.

Workers comp is insurance that I pay into.

m21sniper · 01-16-2010, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dottore

But that's the point: It's not a reaction poverty. It's a reaction to a natural catastrophe that has caused untold suffering. It is this suffering that the international aid effort is trying to stem and alleviate. Not the poverty. That's a whole different topic.

To advocate that because they are black and poor, Haitians are "a herd that needs to be culled" and we should leave them alone to die of their injuries, thirst and starvation is a seriously ugly and pathetic viewpoint.

That's what I take issue with.

it's got nothing to do with them being black and poor, you obfuscating twit.