I painted a picture

[vash]

those giger illustrations have a Nagel feel to them (for me) very dated. thought they were super cool back in the day...but wouldnt hang one now.

[vash]

cant remember his name..but the artist that did "polar express". well his work, earlier than polar express..good stuff. lots of people copied his style.

[JCF]

Originally Posted by john70t

"$$ value" has nothing to do with the value of "art".
One is a business, another is subjective.

Also not that simple.
The business of art can be VERY subjective.
And real "art" is NOT only subjective.

And visa versa.

[varmint]

i think i found a pollock in my back yard. better call sothebys.

[varmint]

Originally Posted by vash

cant remember his name..but the artist that did "polar express". well his work, earlier than polar express..good stuff. lots of people copied his style.

van allsburg. has done some beautiful stuff. think he phones in a lot of work too.




i make a meager living at illustration/visual development. dug out some dragon stuff from a book that never went anywhere.

[DARISC]

That's a load o' crap. THIS is REEL art!

[varmint]

i get paid to do this.


while you...

[DARISC]

Originally Posted by varmint

i get paid to do this.

Quit complaing - beats unemployment I'd imagine.

[varmint]

Originally Posted by DARISC

Quit complaing - beats unemployment I'd imagine.

some time in college they were taught that the ability to appreciate abstract art is a sign of intelligence. desperately insecure, they will pretend to understand. mocking anyone who doesn't buy into the myth is one way they maintain the house of cards.

there is nothing to understand. there is no "there" there. it's all projection on the part of the viewer.

people who are capable of thinking for themselves long ago walked away from the modernist movement. what's left are followers, tools, and people who make money taking advantage of followers and tools.

[Looking_for_911]

Originally Posted by JCF

Not that simple.
If it wasn't her it would have been someone else.
Some other time.
Van Gogh had no Peggy G. and his work eventually found its place.

I meant that as a compliment to Peggy for having the good sense to recognize his genius. Like Van Gogh and others he would have probably made it at some point in time, but probably not in his lifetime, exactly like Van Gogh.

[imcarthur]

Originally Posted by varmint

people who are capable of thinking for themselves long ago walked away from the modernist movement. what's left are followers, tools, and people who make money taking advantage of followers and tools.

I wholeheartedly agree with you here. In hi-fi we call it 'fairy dust'.

Ian

[DARISC]

Originally Posted by varmint

some time in college they were taught that the ability to appreciate abstract art is a sign of intelligence.

You went to college? And they taught you that? You talkin' trade school or decent college here?

desperately insecure, they will pretend to understand. mocking anyone who doesn't buy into the myth is one way they maintain the house of cards.

Who are "they"?

there is nothing to understand. there is no "there" there. it's all projection on the part of the viewer.

Think ya could fight yer way through a scholarly textbook on art? Or are ya jus' happy bein' ignunt o' such stuff?

people who are capable of thinking for themselves long ago walked away from the modernist movement. what's left are followers, tools, and people who make money taking advantage of followers and tools.

The modernist movment - . If you did, even just a little, reading, you might become aware of how silly and parochial your views are...then again, I dunno.

..

[DARISC]

Originally Posted by imcarthur

I wholeheartedly agree with you here. In hi-fi we call it 'fairy dust'.

Ian

C'mon Ian - you know there are distinctions to be made, whatever the medium.

The avant garde, by definition, is always experimental and innovative; and there is always the dreck, which always sinks to the bottom while the worthwhile and legitimate floats to the top and is influential in driving forward.

[varmint]

when i say "they" i mean you. same with "tool" and "follower".

it hurts so much when a person i don't respect tries to patronize me.


here is the catch 22 or abstract art. it can only be appreciated by those with years of theory and criticism behind them. but if something cannot stand and be understood on it's own, then it has failed.



read "the rape of the masters" by kimball.

[varmint]

Originally Posted by DARISC

C'mon Ian - you know there are distinctions to be made, whatever the medium.

The avant garde, by definition, is always experimental and innovative; and there is always the dreck, which always sinks to the bottom while the worthwhile and legitimate floats to the top and is influential in driving forward.

p.s

your "avant guard" ran out of new ideas in the 50's. give it up.

[tabs]

Originally Posted by Superman

I once stood looking at some "modern art" with my sister, who is creative/artistic. I said "Boo, I get nothing from this. As near as I can tell, a monkey could have painted it. Now, if this were a landscape, and if the painter's skill was so great that I could not distinguish it from a photograph, then I'd be able to appreciate it."

She said "Jimmy, your problem is that you're evaluating it with your rational mind. You're very logical/rational and that's good, but in order to appreciate art, you have to put that part of your mind away. Art's value is in how it makes you FEEL when you view it."

It was a very helpful comment.

I always tend to think about art as thats a pretty $20,000.00 hanging on the wall.

[vash]

VARMINT! well done! that dragon slayer kid drawing is great! wanna sell it?

question. another forgotten name, maybe you remember. some illustrator, that got commissioned for the cover of TIME magazine. the article was about the nuclear race. this illustrator pushed the envelope beautifully. i remember the image well. there is a guy cowering in the corner, fear all over his face..his eyes, teeth...all of it in about fear. coming from outside of the image is the tip of some missle, pointing directly at him. i think TIME thought it was too much and the artist had to tame it down, and do another drawing. remember this, varmint?

[tabs]

Originally Posted by dd74

Dipso, in this photo the work looks like a small entryway into something frenetic and uncontrolled. It kind of gives me the creeps/shivers. How about "Doorway to Chaos" as the title?

Come to think of it..it does look like the picture of the LA Freeway system that Johnny Carson used to have in his comedy sketchs.

[DARISC]

Originally Posted by varmint

p.s

your "avant guard" ran out of new ideas in the 50's. give it up.

You should broaden your understanding of that term; it simply means those in the forefront in any field of endeavor who put their intelligence and energy into attempting to progress rather than be satisfied and comfortable with what is, while uninformedly criticizing any attempt at progress by others. That is commonly referred to as neophobia, which often manifests itself in anger, bitterness, denial and unhappiness.

You don't like "modern art"? Think it's a bunch o' crap? Who cares? Quit bitschin' and go enjoy yourself doing what you do.

[Moses]

Originally Posted by varmint

some time in college they were taught that the ability to appreciate abstract art is a sign of intelligence. desperately insecure, they will pretend to understand. mocking anyone who doesn't buy into the myth is one way they maintain the house of cards.

there is nothing to understand. there is no "there" there. it's all projection on the part of the viewer.

people who are capable of thinking for themselves long ago walked away from the modernist movement. what's left are followers, tools, and people who make money taking advantage of followers and tools.

OK... That's just brilliant!