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heres the gig w/kids and spoons.

kids are curious. and thats what gets them killed.

if you ACTIVELY TEACH FIREARMS SAFETY at a very young age and take them shooting. show them what a spoon can do....................they are no longer curious.

teach them if they see a spoon at someones house to leave the area asap, and tell a PARENT !

i have had people/friends/my kids, state to me that "you act just like a range officer"............and I DO!

i EVEN have a piece of TAPE STUCK ON MY SAFE STATING "ALL GUNS LOADED"

none have a round in the pipe.......................but mag tubes or mags are FILLED!

my dad was a 5 year straight south pacific combat vet and carried a .45 and a full auto M-1 carbine every damn day. he taught me from about age 5 about firearms safety. and then i have been involved in the shooting sports all my life. being strict, being ANAL, being SMART, being RESPONSIBLE IS NO ACCIDENT!

AD's suck. but reality is they are not ACCIDENTAL! they are irresponsible spoon handling.

i do not carry with round in pipe ever when hunting close to someone.

i dont carry a round in pipe even when carrying concealed an auto. a wheel gun i carry on an empty cylinder.

everytime i pick up a spoon i clear action/drop mag or clear cylinder. thats the way i have been trained and IT WORKS FOR ME!

if hunting by myself in the middle of BFE, i will carry with a round in the pipe.

i dont carry a round in the pipe in a vehicle or a quad.

thats why PROPER TRAINING IS UBER IMPORTANTE!

Everybody is Rambo. Sheesh.

A weapon and ammo in a house with kids is too high a risk. Train 'em all you want. Would hate to carry that decision with me the rest of my days if something went wrong. Heck...the guns in your house are very often the reason you're being targeted for a break-in. If 300+ lbs of dog(s) aren't a discouragement, I'll rely on 9-1-1. Would hate to unload into my own kid in the wee hours by accident. Oh yeah, that never happens either.

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Originally Posted by Chocaholic (Post 5650521)

Don't bullets travel through walls? Or do all you guys have bullet proof dry wall installed? :)

Chocaholic, you have made a personal decision, as have the rest of us. Where you step over the line is when you try to tell others that your personal decision is the only correct one.

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Originally Posted by Chocaholic (Post 5650521)

I truly am astonished that my kids, my brother and sister, my parents, my aunts and uncles and my grandparents all survived childhood as we all grew up with guns/ammo in the house and no safes or fancy electro lock boxes. ;)

Hundreds of years of guns in homes. We, people are still here.

While taking CW class the instructor brought up the drywall issue. His advice: Be aware. If you are in an apt, a 9mm can go through many layers of drywall before stopping. A shotgun, not so much. Honestly if you are going to have a firearm in your home you should know how to shoot it.

For you anti-gun people, I had a friend who woke up to a noise in the house. He walked upstairs to find a man pulling his infant son out of the crib. Shotgun in hand, he killed that man. I dare say there is not a single person on here that would not have done the same.

My father in law shot a man in the face who was in the process of taking wife's younger brother out of a crib when he was a little tyke. I know a lot of people who have guns, almost everyone I know really. None have been involved in accidental shootings, ever.

Guns and people mix just fine. Guns and stupid, drunk or untrained people are not such a good combo.

There are no kids in my house. I am armed in a matter of seconds. WAY less than ten. Someone'd have to dive through the window with me sitting right there, in order to accomplish a successful home invasion. Busting the door down would take more than one "hit." By then I'd be armed and calm. There is a .45 ACP about ten feet from the front door.

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Originally Posted by ODDJOB UNO (Post 5650169)

hey i am well well aware of what the hell is going on w/home invasions, car jackings, random violence etc.

why in the HELL do you think this state enacted SB 1070???????????????

the same damn reason florida allowed CCW after the mariel boat lift influx of kuban criminals.

are problem isnt kubans(actually some locked up in fed med security north of me) ITS ILLEGAL MESSIKANS DEALING METH/HEROIN!!!!!

and everyone calls them "dumb-asses". the reality is they are smart as hell. they dont go to south phx/guadalupe to sell dope, no $ there,...............they go to the high end zip codes right to the high schools and deal.

and where theres money there is guns and violent crime aka turf wars.

until that damned border is sealed, its gonna continue.

i was lazy last night.............it was a walther ppk/s and a marlin 1895GS kind of night.

today is a walther ppk/s as i was lazy and didnt feel in the mood to change rigs.

its a nice damn luxury being able to change things up when the mood strikes. actually as i drank my coffee thjis early am i swabbed my new marlin 1895GS bore down with shooters choice(its a virgin barrel), applied micro-grain polishing compound, and polished the living hell out of that bore. because i CAN, becuz i'm anal about accuracy and function. and becuz this old cowboy taught me about the wonders of polishing a virgin barrel. and thats how i roll with every damn one of them.

and as far as springs taking a "set". i have heard both sides of this conundrum countless times. i dont know what to believe.

but as far as a "carry spoon", i kind of follow my AZCCW instructor and friends(hes mcso court security here for the justice court-carries a .45 on hip, and a snubby .38 on ankle) advice................i rotate mags once a week, and empty the mags and refill weekly. i only buy factory mags.

and when ya carry.............lint does get everywhere. so spending 5 minutes a week cleaning them is worth my possible life.

this is the REAL DEAL................reality is crime has gotten worse EVERYWHERE! if for one moment any of you think yer safe in yer gated community...............yer just stroking yerselves silly.

i hate having to carry everywhere. its a GIANT PITA! and my side every stinking day. but i am not going to be a statistic. i refuse flat out.

heres how i have to think today when i leave work today to vote.............i have to remove my spoon when entering polls. that way i am legal. if i go out to eat i have to look for posted signs stating no firearms. i have to be aware at all times of where i go, and what i do. and obviously my surroundings.

its not a paranoia thing, its called BEING AWARE and STAYING WITHIN THE LAW!

the other night i found out why the ghetto bird was circling my house. 60 something year old guy out for a bike ride is missing. this is just north of ricksters house and west of me. this aint no slum, its some high end properties. crime does happen anywhere and everywhere at anytime.

(4) banks have now been robbed up here. there is a spat of bizzness burglaries up in town. the circle k in town was just robbed and on and on it goes.

As 10Bears says in Josey Wales-"You speak words of iron for all men". I sure can't argue with any of your logic. If Florida hadn't passed the concealed carry we wouldn't have a state left. Not knowing who might have a piece in their pocket sure works wonders on the less than honest folks. I'm putting a pipeline here in Jacksonville and 2 weeks ago the law wouldn't let us in on a part of the line. Some goofball had shot both his parents (didn't kill them) but did shoot and kill his brother and best friend and was hiding next to the line. The law blasted him a few days later. 28 hits on him I was told. 4 scumbags murdered an 83 year old man and stole his Jeep recently. Another big news story is some guy getting somebody to murder his Fiancee. Trial going on now. And so it goes on and on most everywhere. I believe you're right, well armed-vigilant-legal are the watchwords.

Time, depends on where I am in the house, but I'm never FAR from one..

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Originally Posted by Tim Hancock (Post 5650703)

Same here, but our parents taught us responsibility and that Guns weren't toys and were not to be handled without an adult..

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You have made the right desicion as you aren't confident enough to own & handle fire arms.. So what do you do while waiting for 9 1 1 to pick up, what if they go to the wrong house (it happens)....

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Thus your kid will be the one who gets shot, by his little friend who you haven't trained in firearm safety. Good result.

Maybe in your house, but my father's word was law, and I knew better than to mess with any of his guns (including a "real" Thompson 45) when he wasn't around, I also knew that I wasn't to tell my friends were there were too.. Just because you don't raise your kids to obey you doesn't mean the rest of us by into that Time Out BS.. When I was 11, all the guys around me got BB guns for X-mas, my Dad wouldn't let me have one, but when I turned 12, he gave me a 20 guage shot gun...

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Where we live I ask my wife why she always bother,s to lock the door. Your quality of life is sadly lacking when you think you need so many guns.
I can but wouldn,t have a gun in the house. I know a retired policeman who feels the same way. He told me he has investigated too many domestic killings and suicides in homes with guns readily available.

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Originally Posted by johnsjmc (Post 5651669)

Where we live I ask my wife why she always bother,s to lock the door. Your quality of life is sadly lacking when you need so many guns.

yep theres never any crime in canada. and i'll bet theres UNICORNS and RAINBOWS also.

just to mix things up tonight and be DIFFERENT.......................

i declare it an HK USP COMPACT TACTICAL w/UTL .45 kind of night. UTL stands for universal tactical light.

why? because i know for a FACT........................."NOBODY CAN DO ME NO HARM!"

tomorrow night i just may get FRISKY and declare it a SMITH UND VESSON kind of night(hmmm tough to pick from that damn collection).

why? BECAUSE I CAN!

cheese and rice if those silly canuck lawmakers ever get their poo together and ALLOW HANDGUNS......................i'm moving there in a HEARTBEAT and OPENING A SPOON STORE and BUYING STOCK IN ANY AND ALL HANDGUN COMPANIES as there will be a rush on to possess handguns bigger than ANY GOLDRUSH!

once again ................the HAVES and the HAVE NOTS!

and as anyone with a brain KNOWS...............its better to have and NOT NEED, than it is to NEED REALLY REALLY BAD and NOT HAVE!

p.s. my quality of life is just fine.

I can have a gun at home anytime I want to bother with the permit.We can get a handgun permit fairly easily. A carry permit is also easily obtainable for a long gun .We do have hunters and farmer with the need to own a gun. A handgun carry permit is not easy to get. We also restrict magazine size .I think we also banned or at least restricted semi autos after a Columbine style University shooting in Quebec about 15 yrs ago. A bonefide collecter can probably still own antique military weapons but i don,t know what documentation/permits are required
. The biggest difference is I and most people here don,t feel any NEED what so ever.
I have a winter home in Florida and other than the weather ,there isn,t much there any better than here..

Would you extend your interpretation of 2nd ammendment rights to allow children to carry guns openly to Elementary schools? They need to defend themselves against bullies don,t they?

Quality of life with fear for your safety without a gun isn,t very high on my list.

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Originally Posted by johnsjmc (Post 5651773)

I can have a gun at home anytime I want to bother with the permit.We can get a handgun permit fairly easily. A carry permit is also easily obtainable for a long gun .We do have hunters and farmer with the need to own a gun. A handgun carry permit is not easy to get. We also restrict magazine size .I think we also banned or at least restricted semi autos after a Columbine style University shooting in Quebec about 15 yrs ago. A bonefide collecter can probably still own antique military weapons but i don,t know what documentation/permits are required
. The biggest difference is I and most people here don,t feel any NEED what so ever.
I have a winter home in Florida and other than the weather ,there isn,t much there any better than here..

Would you extend your interpretation of 2nd ammendment rights to allow children to carry guns openly to Elementary schools? They need to defend themselves against bullies don,t they?

Quality of life with fear for your safety without a gun isn,t very high on my list.

BITD, kids did just that, but not for protection, but for Show & Tell or they would go hunting after school. It isn't a NEED, but a want, I happen to enjoy shooting, I also like different style & old guns, carry permit, yes, but do I, not very often, mainly when carring large sums of cash to buy other Porsches out of town. Are they displayed in my home, nope, but then again I don't have my watches displayed either.. Remember, anything that you ban, just means that the bad guys will be the only ones with them, highest crime & murder rates are in areas with the strickest gun laws..

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Originally Posted by johnsjmc (Post 5651669)

Thats pretty much the way it is at my folks house... They only keep a gun around for the inevitable varmints you get out in the country....

If it's a Republican, neocon or right wing Christian I can have them dead in less than 5 seconds, anyone else gets to ID themselves first while looking at the muzzle of my assault shotgun loaded with 00 buck. After all I did buy it to shoot cans. Republi type cans.

Charles Shumer doesn't carry a gun, but his bodyguard team does.

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Originally Posted by Geronimo '74 (Post 5649922)

Just a thought, I'm over the pond so the whole owning guns issues is different here, but can you really depend on a dog to attack a burglar??
I'm sure most dogs will give early warning by barking.
But a criminal that wants to come inside and knows you have a dog, can he not bypass the dog problem very easily with a piece of meat, or sweets??

A number of years ago, someone I know very well had his house burglarized. His pit bull was killed and gun safe penetrated and cleaned-out. He lost quite a collection including pre-ban black rifle stuff. Nothing much else was taken, so obviously they knew what was in the house and how to get at it.

We had a very intimidating and protective dog (115lb male Akita) for a number of years. He scared the bajeezus out of strangers as well as many family and friends. Problem was, I trusted him with my life but was always a bit nervous about my own kids and in particular, neighborhood kids who might get into the backyard when I wasn't around. That would have been very, very bad. He died of natural causes and now we have an Aussie that barks when so motivated but I doubt he would scare anything bigger than a rabbit away.

No knowing who the the burglers are, and how they get their information...