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I am a Bose 901 speaker fan, but not sure the headphones are worth the premium price. Are they? Any alternative suggestions?
What is the intended/majority use? If for NC, check out the Sennheiser PXC 450's. If you want to stick with Bose, go with their over-the-ear model (QC-15's?). If for actual music/sound fidelity, go with a pair of Sennheiser HD 600's or 650's.

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I travel all the time. (3 -4x a week I am on a plane). I have the Sennheisers. I swear by them, plus I didnt put more money in Bose's coffers. Bose is pure garbage. Period. My Sennheisers are awesome

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Friends don't let friends buy Bose. They put a lot more money in advertising than they do in their products. Buy anything (I have the Sennheisers too and love them) but don't buy Bose.

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Q: Why is Bose so secretive about the frequency response of their sound-canceling headphones? Could it be because it's not as good as they could wish?

STEVE PERRY
St. Paul, Minn.

A: Bose has a long history of not disclosing specifications of any type. Wikipedia's entry on Bose Corp. states Bose's position, as taken from a paper published by the Audio Engineering Society, at aes.org: "The ultimate test, Bose insists, is your perception of audible quality (or lack of it) and your preferences. Unlike other major speaker manufacturers, Bose does not publish specifications relating to the measured electrical and objective acoustic performance of its products. This reluctance to publish information is due to Bose's rejection of these measurements in favor of "more meaningful measurement and evaluation procedures."

In other words, it does not matter what the scientific measurements say; it is whether you think it sounds good or not when you listen to it.

My position, and that of most audiophiles, is that specifications are very meaningful, especially for loudspeakers and headphones. Audio is a science as well as an art.

You have touched upon the most important specification, frequency response, which is the portion of the audible spectrum that the equipment can reproduce. Humans can hear between 20 hz (deep bass) and 20,000 hz (very high treble) and you want the speaker to reproduce as much of this range as it can evenly, without exaggerating any specific part of it. A figure such as +/- 3db will be given with the frequency response to specify it can reproduce the spectrum without varying more than 3db softer or louder.

A test of Bose's Acoustimass system's cubes showed by far the worst frequency response I have ever seen: 280 Hz to 13.3 kHz at ?10.5 dB. If you compared it with audiophile, or even mass-market speakers of reasonable quality, a variation of 10.5 db is totally off the charts. I imagine the "incredible deal overstock" speakers you can buy out of the back of a cargo van would post better numbers. (In fact, if you own a set of these van speakers, write me -- perhaps this would make an interesting comparison!) You can read a summary of the test at intellexual net · m k i v.

Besides the incredibly huge variance in frequency response, the cubes cut off at 13.3khz, which means more than 65 percent of the highest octave is unaccounted for, because the speakers are incapable of reproducing it. The audiophile phrase "no highs, no lows, must be Bose" certainly is relevant here.

Specifications don't always tell all -- for example, many audiophiles prefer the sound of tube amplifiers, though they have more measured distortion than solid state amplifiers. Still, smooth frequency response without huge peaks and valleys is always desirable.

When I first received my Polk i-Sonic review unit I was impressed by how smooth, clean and sweet it sounded. I mentioned this to Polk's marketing manager, Paul DiComo, a month later in a visit to Polk's HQ. He mentioned they were using digital sound processing to create very even response from bass to treble and produced a frequency response graph showing an almost flat line from left to right.

Only Bose truly knows the true reasons it does not publish specifications, but given how ridiculous it would look if it did (especially given the premium prices it charges) this sometimes cynical columnist thinks it is hiding something.
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i have a set of panasonics they are ok for flights
my BIL still has the HP ones i bought him a few years ago

i have heard good things about the Dr Dre ones

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