Good compact 9mm?

[jyl]

Hey, why do you keep saying "my" P7? You're making me sad. Am I going to have to go buy my own super 9?

I turned in my CHL for a renewal. They are backed up here - a wave of CHL applications came in after the Japan earthquake, go figure. So I am not a legal carrier for a few weeks.

Guess I will spend that time at the range, getting abuse from the .45 mini-cannon.

[m21sniper]

If you do want a P7 now is the time, because the police trade in prices are already going up as the supply dries up.

What could be had for $500 about a year ago- a "Grade C" shooter P7 trade in- is now going for $600 to $650. The grade A's are pulling down about $800 now. This time last year they were going for about $700.

Once the trade in supply is exhausted, you are going to see all of these pistols climb in value even more.

[Rick Lee]

I don't know about that. I sold a hard chromed P7PSP with night sights a few years ago for $1100, exactly what I had into it. A week later CDNN got a huge shipment in and grade A ones were going for $599. A year later they briefly went for $499. Now they're back up slightly. But I bet another batch of police turn-ins hits the market within two years and drops it again. Besides, guns in general are a very good buy now because people overbought in 2007-08 and a lot of those folks need money now.

[m21sniper]

$800 is up "slightly"?

Grade C shooters are now going for more than Grade A's were about 2 years ago.

[Rick Lee]

CDNN doesn't have any right now, but I'm sure they will get another batch soon. I'll probably go up to J&G tomorrow and see what they have. If you really shop, you can find deals on P7's. I am a very good gun shopper and don't buy in a hurry.

[m21sniper]

Is this the thread where i was saying the requirement to pull the trigger before field stripping some pistols is a stupid design that is asking for trouble?

Well, here's one case where it cost a guy a hole in his hand and leg:

I Shot Myself Yesterday

Opening post from above thread:

I SHOT MYSELF TODAY.

I have spent so much time reading about accidental/negligant discharges, thinking about gun safety. I've been cautioning my wife and son, stressing to them how careful we must be with firearms, because all it takes is one lapse in attrention.

Can't believe I shot myself yesterday.

I had my XD-40 with me in a company vehicle yesterday. It was about 4:30, time to go home. I had been field stripping (playing with) it several times during the day. studying it's mechanisms. Thought I'd do it one more time before heading home.

I dropped the mag, failed to clear the chamber. STUPID! Racked the slide, pulled the trigger to release it. BOOM!

In an instant, my ears are ringing, blood is everywhere. Meat was hanging from the side of my hand, blood dripping. Knew instantly I was shot in my leg, too. OMG! knew I had to get to the hospital, started the van, started driving. I then realized, "where's the gun"? Turned around, saw it in the parking lot, knew I had to get it. Went back, threw it in park, stepped out, got it. Started driving.

Didn't know how bad I was hurt. I was mainly worried about my leg, wondering if I had hit an artery. Didn't want to wait for an ambulance, wasn't sure it would arrive before I bled out. Traffic was heavy, waited for a couple of lights, but then turned on my flashers, started to weave in and out, jumping curbs.

Made it, pulled up to the wrong entrance. Backed out, went to where the ambulances come in. Thew it in park, leaned on my horn. No one came, leaned on it again. Female security guard came around the corner, "are you alright"? I said "No, I've been shot, I need help"! She seemed to be reacting in slow motion, trying to process it. She started heading that way, I yelled for her to please hurry.

They came scrambling out with a gurney, rushed me inside. IV"s are being stuck in me, sissors are cutting my pants off.

Moving along...I have to have surgery on my hand Tuesday. I was able to move my fingers, which is a good sign, but I'm going to have a bite missing from the lower side of my hand. They're going to use a skin graft from my leg to cover it.

The bullet went clean through my leg. Amazing, it missed the bone, didn't hit any major veins/arterys, didn't even hit any major muscles. Entry/exit wounds are about 8-9 inches apart, but the bullet kept to the surface, going through fatty tissue. It left some fragments in my leg (it was a hollow point), which are going to stay in there. Doctor says they shouldn't cause me any trouble, and may actually work their way out eventually.

Cops showed up, asking for details. They had to confiscate the gun, but they say I'll get it back. One commented "it's a good gun". Asked how long I'd had it, I said not quite two weeks. I can't use unfamaliarity as an excuse, though, I've had an XD-9 for a couple of months, same mechanism.

I feel so stupid. My ears are still ringing some, hope I haven't done any permanent damage to my hearing.

I'm actually able to walk on my leg if I move slowly. My hand hurts the most, going every day for wound dressing till my surgery Tuesday.

I'm definetely going to get wrote up, but I think my job is safe. No workers comp, since I was in violation of company policy having the gun. I'm hoping I can get back to work later part of next week.

I'm posting this as part confession, part warning. It...can...happen...be careful.

mistergus75

[mossguy]

This doesn't sound like the fault of the gun.

[m21sniper]

The design requires you to pull the trigger when disassembling.

That is, in the eyes of many, a very stupid requirement that is asking for stupid people to shoot things stupidly.

[Rick Lee]

I can't believe our high priest of personal responsibility is claiming a gun is at fault and of poor design because of IDIOTS who hurt themselves. Who cares if you have to pull the trigger to disassemble? If I had to put the muzzle in my mouth and pull the trigger to disassemble, it wouldn't be the gun's fault if I killed myself. Are you kidding me?

[m21sniper]

I'm a high priest of personal responsibility? ME?!?!

Since when?

Obviously a design that doesn't require you to pull the trigger to disassemble it (as is the case with the overwhelming majority of designs) has far less chance of an ND occurring.

That's like requiring a driver to floor the throttle on a car before shifting to park, it's really, really stupid. Just like people are.

It is a design that asks for trouble, where none need be present.

[porsche4life]

Idiots shoot themselves with p7s too snipe....

[m21sniper]

At a far lower rate than most designs, but yes, there have been ND's with P7s too. One NJ state trooper managed to have TWO ND's with a P7, shooting himself the second time. And that's a "trained professional."

It is true that there is no such thing as an idiot proof design, but that doesn't mean it's wise to tempt fate by requiring a cocked pistol to have it's trigger pulled everytime it is disassembled either.

Most ND's happen during administrative handling, while stripping/cleaning firearms. Requiring the user- who may very well be an idiot- to pull the trigger before disassembly has no real world benefit whatsoever, but a huge and obvious downside.

[onewhippedpuppy]

After lots of looking I picked up a Sig P250 Subcompact tonight on sale at Gander Mountain for $400. Despite Gander normally being overpriced on everything, this was a better deal than I could find anywhere online. 3.6 in barrel, typical Sig quality, 12+1 9 mm. I'm very happy with the purchase, now I need to get to the range and try it out. I'm definitely going to enjoy shooting a 9mm considering the ammo is 1/4 the price of my .45.

[m21sniper]

Looks really nice. Good luck.

[ODDJOB UNO]

Originally Posted by red-beard

My only piece to add is make sure that it is reliable. If you need it to go "bang", it better go "bang"!

i have a ruger 22/45 that i have ALSO TRICKED OUT and shot 650 rds per match PLUS w/practice sight ins with my younger son. we DID TRY AND KILL IT! emphasis on try!


added TACTICAL SOLUTIONS COMPLETE COMBAT WOMBAT UPPER W/THREADED BARREL AND COMPENSATOR and PICATINNY RAIL for RED DOT!


we shot the HELL out of it(over a year-sometimes twice a month) and still continue to do so.

ITS ALL ABOUT THE CLEANING AND THE ...........................LUBE!


but truth be told........................practice with WHAT YER GONNA SHOOT/CARRY!

[ODDJOB UNO]

and anudder thang....................right now i am foaming at the mouth waiting for my NICKEL SMITH modelo 29 4" to arrive back from magna-port with quad(vier) ports in der geschutzen barrel. after it arrives DOKTOR NELSON FORD(thegunsmith.com) will wave his magic wand all over the double action side of things. hysterically(historically) smiths ALL have crappy double action triggers. we will do a light chamfer on the cylinder to facilitate ease of using speedloaders. it doesnt need much as smith back when it was produced had still made them with recessed cylinders. ie. the butt of the bullet does NOT stick up above cylinder. smith in a cost cutting move(1 less op) did away with this back in the 80's.


we are bouncing around whose night sights we will go with and we are bouncing around a longer cylinder release latch for quicker reloads also. these are avail at dillon here.


this is the all around mucho bad azz dont feek with me- mr puddy tat/mr oso negro/mr-mrs-miss rabid kritter/zombeez that need to be blown to smithereens spoon.


and with the correct garrett rounds, a damn good last ditch effort to save my azz against URSUS HORRIBILUS!



since it really is a life or death spoon we are sparing no pesos here. hang the expense.


carry spoons i will drop a boat load of cash into. i feel my azz is worth at least that much. but then i am addicted to the sport and have been for years and years and it really is starting to show. i usually do 1-2 maybe 3 a year if i can afford it if they are pistols. rifles usually just (1) taken to the very edge of insanity /OCD will be enough to break my bank when the fat lady finally sings and ya drop bucks on optics and mounts and slings and cases and spare parts and then................GO SHOOT THE DAMN THANG A FEW HUNDRED TIMES!

[Rick Lee]

I have a lead on an excellent condition P7PSP for $600 if anyone is shopping.

[m21sniper]

What grade is it?

Is it a private owner, or is it a current trade in? How many mags? Does it have the tools?

[ODDJOB UNO]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

After lots of looking I picked up a Sig P250 Subcompact tonight on sale at Gander Mountain for $400. Despite Gander normally being overpriced on everything, this was a better deal than I could find anywhere online. 3.6 in barrel, typical Sig quality, 12+1 9 mm. I'm very happy with the purchase, now I need to get to the range and try it out. I'm definitely going to enjoy shooting a 9mm considering the ammo is 1/4 the price of my .45.

i like it. now sit back with a six pak, tear the damn thing apart as per the instructions(remember those?), and clean it with q-tips and give it a lube job.



go blast the hell out of 200rds-3 different flavors and see what groups best and then stick with that flavor FOREVAR!



come home, grab another 6 pak, and tear it apart and LOVINGLY CLEAN IT WITH IN AN INCH OF ITS LIFE USING Q-TIPS.................and it will serve you well.



if a daily carry............once a week wipe down and use an airgun to blow out all lint dust crap from it and magazines. unload magazines that you carry and blow them out also and then reload.



and it will be a happy spoon. and as we ALL KNOW HERE.............................HAPPINESS IS A WARM SPOON..................YES IT IS!

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

What grade is it?

Is it a private owner, or is it a current trade in? How many mags? Does it have the tools?

Private sale, German police turn-in. Comes with two mags, two holsters, some ammo and all tools.