Here is a bit of information about how fast a 2012 Boss 302 is compared with other cars around Laguna Seca. Most of the times are with drivers from Motortrend magazine, so not are drivers are equal. Also, the GTR is not the newest version and I'm confident the latest version would be closer to the Z06.

Laguna Seca, USA (3602 m)
3. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 1:35.80
4. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Carbon 1:37.40
5. Porsche 997 Turbo facelift 1:37.80
6. Porsche 997 GT3 1:39.52
7. Porsche 997 Turbo 1:39.89
8. Porsche 997 Turbo S 1:40.11
9. Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI 1:40.20
10. Ford Mustang Boss 302 1:40.21
11. Nissan GT-R 1:40.45
12. Mercedes SLS AMG 1:40.74
13. Audi R8 4.2 FSI quattro 1:40.75
14. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 1:40.90
15. BMW M3 (E92) 1:42.96


The Boss 302 is not perfect, but for 40K it is a bargain for what it can do.

Stephanie, I think those times may be the standard Boss 302? If I'm not mistaken, the Laguna Seca version of the Boss 302 turned below 1:40? A quote from Motor Trend:


"As its hot shoe, Ford brought 2010 Rolex 24hrs Daytona GT class winner Jonathan Bomarito, so we took the opportunity to gather some hard data on what the Boss could really do. Bomarito and the Boss knocked out two hot laps at 1:40.4 and 1:40.2.

How fast is that? Well, we compared those times against a few vehicles from our MRLS lap-time database and were astonished. With a professional racing driver behind the wheel, the 2009 BMW M3 that competed in our 2008 Best Handling competition clocked a 1:42.9. In our 2009 Best Driver's Car competition the 2010 Shelby GT500 lapped in 1:44.3 while a 2010 Audi R8 did it in 1:40.8. This puts the Boss 302 in a very elite field, and it's not the fastest Boss. According to Ford, Bomarito lapped the Boss Laguna Seca under 1 minute and 40 seconds."



Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1102_2012_ford_mustang_boss_302_test/laguna_seca_lap_time.html#ixzz1MN6w9Vd7

Impressive, no doubt about it. I've seen plenty of the newer Mustangs at Willow Springs raceway and they haul butt. They hold their own quite well through the corners and are REALLY fast down the straights.

Go buy a Boss 302.

Then go here.. MustangForums.com Mustang Forums

Its like trying to tell everyone you have a huge dick. At first they might believe you, but then, after awhile, there's not much doubt :)

I have no problem with talking cars. In fact it beats out a lot of other topics for personal interest.

In fact, I am surprised we don't talk MORE about cars.

You know, CARS. :p

Honestly, I'm not sure. I believe the video taken by Motortrend was of a standard Boss. I don't think the test was done with the track key either. The track key is to change the following:
adjust cam time
spark plug mapping
engine braking
fuel control
and over 600 engine parameters.

Ford is very sensitive(almost weird) in talking about the track key. When I bought mine, they quizzed me about taking it to the track. They only wanted to move forward on discussing the track key, if you take the car to the track! Obviously, my dealer did not want the track key on the road. What he doesn't know won't hurt him;)

Also, to my fellow Porsche owners, who dislike Mustangs, I say be open minded. These cars are just fun. As far as this forum, this subject is just as good as another.

Maybe you can get wayne to start a mustang specific section? Hell, maybe he will also start selling mustang parts........That said, I bet they are a blast to drive.

Wow, that's impressive. Other then the graphics, I really like those cars. I would love to take one to the track and really mess with people's ego....that would be almost as much fun as it is when I do that with my V70R

What I don't understand is why people feel the need to post something negative in a topic they don't care about. If you have issue with Paul or the topic or don't give a rats ass why do you click on it....makes me wonder if the person making that kind of comment is the one who really likes hearing himself talk.....Just move on.

[QUOTE]Wow, that's impressive. Other then the graphics, I really like those cars. I would love to take one to the track and really mess with people's ego....that would be almost as much fun as it is when I do that with my V70R/QUOTE]

I remember you flying around big willow in the wagon with a baby seat in back passing a few people. It was pretty funny!

Thank you. I should start a thread on Jock itch or toenail fungus? ;)

Truth be known, I'd be hot after a Boss 302 Laguna Seca, but it seems you need to "know somebody" to have one, and then the few dealers slated to get them are asking very stiff additional dealer markup.

Good lottery fantasy tho...with enough bucks, I'd send one to a custom shop...have graphics and spoilers removed, and a muted color paint job applied.

A Bullitt can be made to match the power, but it would involve adding boost, and I've never liked boosted engines.

To each their own...

IF they could crank these babies out like they do with the regular GT... and sell them for $30K... with no big dealer markup...


then sure, I'd have one on order.

But $40K is now 996TT territory. Not any faster, but a smaller car- I really wish the new mustangs were the size of the original mustang- about 75% scale.

You get used to the size. In some respects it feels like a big car but in others it does not. The steering is tight which makes it nimble. I'm not sure what makes the Boss that much better than the standard GT other than better brakes, stiffer suspension and 40-50 more HP - non of which can me made much useful on the road, and on the track the hands at the wheel can make for a second/lap just as easy.

The Boss has better engine internals that your GT...stronger stuff to handle the higher revs. Different heads that take two hours each on a CNC machine...stuff like that.

As one who likes to run mountain passes here, I'd love having the Brembo brakes upgrade...

There is a GT for sale at the Albany Oregon Ford dealer...has the "premium" interior package, but what caught my eye on the sticker was the Brembos, the 3:73 limited slip rear end, and the spoiler & stripes delete. 6 speed manual, of course. Whoever ordered this one ordered it with the "car guy" in mind.

Luckily for me the car is red...and I don't like red. ;) This helped me hang on to some money. That, and knowing it would be silly to trade in a perfectly functioning car that has only 6,000 on it's odo.

I traded cars with a friend to drive his 2008 GT several years ago, "big" was my biggest criticism of it. Even though I was driving a modified Subaru GT wagon at the time, the Mustang just felt large. It was good for grins, but I just couldn't see myself owning one.

i'd drive one

So I guess one could say the 6cyl Stang is the T, the GT is an E and the Boss is the S and the Shelby is the RS of the lot. I like my E just fine.

You get used to the size. At first it seemed very big to me (after the MR2/911 where you barely see the hood) but you quickly forget about that unless of course you jumped from one right into the other.

There's my Porsche content for the day.

As a one-time 64 1/2 owner and lifelong fan, I appreciate Ford's attempt but why the made the car so big is beyond me. Could have used another 100 lbs of modeling clay removed before going to production. Every time I see the front, love it. then the rear quarters come into view and just disappointed.

A friend's car in Turkey. What they should have gone for vs. mixing styling elements from 65 with 69 and 71.

this car is sharp with clean lines and creases. new Mustangs are "dull" like they're melted.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1305507830.jpg

That depends on which Shelby (or Roush) but generally hold true...except the hotter Roush and Shelby cars are "huffer" engines. I still prefer normally aspirated power. Actually the Shelby GT350 and the '08-09 Bullitt are very similar in performance when comparing year to year. Just that the Shelby "looks" faster with it's shelby nameplate, stripes, spoilers, etc.

Sure agreee on getting used to the size. After the '72S, with it's curb weight of 2440, the Bullitt felt huge. But then, I'm thinking a Porsche GT3 would feel huge & heavy compared to the S. The Bullitt was a pleasant surprise as far as handling goes...very crisp and positive turn in, even with it's relatively "tall" ZR 235/50 stock tires. After driving a spell, the size becomes unnoticable...yet the comfort becomes very noticable.

Me driving the old 911S would be working hard and be getting beaten to death to keep up with me in the Bullitt over the South Santiam pass here.

The BIG difference? Me in the Bullitt would be making the drive while enjoying a 6 speaker stereo & enjoying air conditioned comfort. Just enjoying a much easier and really quicker drive...

The older I get, the more I enjoy the comfort.

I'd still like those Brembo brakes, as well as another 100 ponies. ;)

But hey, what are we doing talking about cars here? :rolleyes:

Now that is a good looking Mustang. I would take that all day and 2x on Sunday over the new ones. YMMV.