Iran

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tabs 01/19/2012 04:56 PM

Mr Rose asks, "Is there any back channel communication between the US and Iran, and would you know who it is?" Why silly, it is you of course Mr Rose. After all Mr Khazaee did say he was there to "officially negotiate" which came as no surprise as one had already thought as much earlier in the interview. Much of the problem between Iran and the US is a misunderstanding by BOTH parties of the true meaning of the rhetoric involved. One thinks that the Iranians keep on telling the US, "See here (waving a piece of paper under Mr Roses nose) the rhetoric by your politicians is inflammatory too." So it becomes a matter of the pot calling the kettle black by BOTH PARTIES.


To move on, the ratcheting up of rhetoric on the Iranians part is the fact that as one heats a plate covered with ants the more quickly the ants scurry about. This is a manifestation of desperation and attending instability on the part of the Iranians. There is an increasing likelihood of a mistake on the Iranians part which could give the US and its Allies the excuse needed to take out the Iranian military and nuclear capacity. On the other hand one hopes that the US is hoping that the current sanctions will bring Iran to heel on its nuclear aspirations. However if the former should take place the blow back in the region would be substantial and create an even bigger mess than the US and Allies already face. The Iranians will not go easily.


As far as the passive agressive stance towards Iran by the current occupant in the WH and the jingoistic paranoia of a number of Republican candidates one does not think that so far these people have or are playing with full decks. But we shall see what Hillary comes up with next? Will she try and start a conversation with Larijani?

Now comes Part 2


As a point of clarification, one thinks that even if the Iranian military and nuclear capacity are neutralized the Iranians would still have the threat and or capability of disrupting the oil supply from the ME. This would be accomplished by covert or asymmetrical operations. This in affect would disrupt an already fragile world economy that is recovering from the financial crisis of 2008. In other words how does $200 to $400 USD a barrel of oil strike ya, and how does that affect your economy Mr President?


Then beyond the Nuclear weapon capability of Iranian comes the other dirty word of Biological and or Chemical weapons capability of Iran? What exactly does US and Israeli intel have to say about that? These little incidentials should be thought through very carefully as one does not want to make a mistake in judgement here.

[J P Stein]

The US turned it's back on the world back in the 20s & 30s. How did that work out for ya?

Appeasement of radical nation states only leads them to want more. The solution becomes more & more difficult. How does Hitler or Hirohito with the BOMB sound to ya? Believing that they would not have been be crazy enough to use it is the *hope* of fools.

Maybe the US should just turn it's back on the democracies of the world and let Belgium or Norway dictate our foreign policy. Look how well they held up under the Nazi heel.

The article referred to by the OP is correct. There is no silver bullet......but, strategic bombardment would turn the trick with....... an occasional re-arrangement of the rubble. Norway could probably handle that using their own devices, eh?

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen

Sounds good to me too. The US has something close to 500 permanent bases on foreign soil while we need almost 2 trillion dollars worth of maintenance just to bring our own highways and bridges up to standard. I'm a lot more interested in the infrastructure, fire, and police protection I need for my home and my business than I am in supporting perpetual war in that part of the world. I chose to take care of our own country first.

One hates lambasting your naivete and ignorance. The American Empire is the GLOBAL ECONOMY. It's foundations are the USD, US and foreign Corporations including banking and finance and the US Military providing security.

The US military is the keeper of the peace, the Global Policeman on the beat that insures that all the natives get along and that tranquility ensues. Without the US military on the beat fragmentation and chaos would ensue as regional disputes would escalulate into shooting wars. Further by the US military being on the beat, the natives do not have to devote as much money to defense. Call it Global gun control if you will.

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Open the hood of your car and peer into the engine compartment and notice how many different countries the parts of your car are made in. If the Global economy should breakdown or even come under pressure, how many cars do you think would be coming off the assembly line in Detroit.* Now extrapolate that to all the other products that you use. Can you see the conundrum


*Detroit is a euphemism of all the different locations that autos are assembled int eh US.

[ZAMIRZ]

Tabs, on point as always on foreign politics...especially with regard to the power structure and hierarchy in Iran.