Excellent. Looks like lots of fun.

Good looking piece of hardware.

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no, not mine - wish it was

My first handgun. Still own it, still shoot it regularly.

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They are. New vintage dw's are rare. Some german shop has em and a grand more than I paid for my pm7 juat now..

The pm7 i just picked up . Looks like a 2008 import.. left on the shelf..no demand. No appreciation.. unknown unloved.. the filistines here buy a brands. Ruger. S&w sig kimber sti..
For higher price than this pm7 was
Its an awesome deal for me. So sometimes it is a good thing to be surrounded by filistines. Cause my pricr was same as my other one bought in 2010..no inflation. No markup due to dw's increased reputatiom and fame

So, what does it like? The 185 Gr or the 230 gr. My Springfield is crazy accurate with the 230 and barely hits the target with 185 gr.

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My latest acquistions

H&H side by side and another FN B25


detail
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230 is only option here.. hollow point defensive loads are noy allowed
But with 45 acp. Id say thats not a big problem
Fat n slow will do the job

G man spends in the upper regions it seems.. very nice guns

Asking price for those two was enough for a nice, recent second hand car.
I got a very good deal though. I did not pay full asking price.

These are not at all in the same league as the uber expensive ones from H&H. But very nice nonetheless.
The B25 is a custom job. (This was the gunsmith's personal weapon)

Some details from my other H&H.

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Love the top lever on that B25 and the sxs engraving is just perfect!!! beautiful guns.


This is my most recent addition. Engraving is signed so either by hand or possibly hand chased. It's based on the MX8 which has a drop out trigger with flat springs. Old school tech that hasn't changed since it was introduced to compete in the 1968 Olympics. No barrel selector, fixed choke, even old style soldering for the barrel mid ribs claimed to allow better barrel regulation.

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Here’s the trigger group. Supposed to be one of the fastest lock times available. Not sure I can feel or detect such a thing but it is pretty nice.

The flat springs are supposedly 100% until they break whereas coil springs lose springiness over time.

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Are you actually allowed to keep a gun like this in your home? Much less carry it? I'm unfamiliar with your law. Don't most European countries require that handguns be left at your gun club at all times?

Keeping it in your home is common practice.
Keeping it in a club is not.
Carry licence is very very rare and you need a valid reason. Let’s say a diamond trader who regularly transports gems and runs a significant risk to be mugged, can apply for one.
Most civilians cannot get a carry license.

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Back from smith. Red dot and trigger is a dream, especially the DA.

You have to have a valid reason for a permit as a civilian

sports shooter (Model9) , match shooting, clay pigeon, bolt guns, 22 pistol

limited formalities, must be part of a shooting federation, do 12 shoots a year and medical cert by your GP. do minor theoretical exam.. do practical exam per class you shoot in. (pistol/revolver / rifle/ shotgun/ blackpowder)

Hunting , bolt guns, shotguns.. must be part of a hunting federation and do exams for hunting regulations... not easy.. takes studying..

Recreational shooting permit (Model4): member of shooting club
do handling exam and stupid test with the cops
Semi rifles , pistols revolvers, shotguns, lever guns, anything except semi auto

most do the Model 9 requirements, then request Model 4 permit
Because the model 9 makes for less paperwork on model 4 requests.

Collector
Anybody who has already a number of weapons in above systems
Can request a collector license.
But.. it has to be a narrow theme.. for instance "Vietnam war
Within that theme.. anything goes.. including full rock and roll
However, you can't really shoot em much, just for a function check.. and there are no ranges with full auto you can go anyways.

Collectors don't need permits, they maintain a ledger.. and are subject to very frequent inspections by the cops.





In all of the above scenarios
Weapons must be stored away from ammo
Either with parts removed to prevent instant use
or stored in a gun safe
no magazines loaded
no ammo near
You house must be suitably safe, locked doors, no ladders or tools for burglary laying around (they actually mention that on issue.. because I'm sure some tards need to be told)

In recent year they got more serious , the village copy (she's nice , likes kitty cats, all good) had to come check my house.
Showed her the safe imma bedroom where guns are kept
showed her my garage where ammo is kept.

That's the ideal scenario for them.. Mostly because they want to avoid readily available guns and ammo in heated family matters or with kids playing with guns
In my case no issue, I don't have wife or kids.


Main thing even just hinting at any need for self defence .. forget it, you wont get a permit.


Genuine self protection :
Those very few people who have a genuine threat, jewelers, people in weird lines of work... They can get a carry license...

But it has to be a serious threat.. Work related, not just because somebody on the internet called you a poopoo head...



Now obviously.. theory and practice may differ.. some do keep their gun in a safe that is only 1 number rotation from opening
and keister a loaded mag of .45 just in case they get jumped.
But hey.. who would know.. right?

In Holland its actually the opposite... keeping guns at the club is way common there.
And they are limited to a max of 5 guns.

hence there is way more trade in Holland , they can't hoard and must rotate to experience more different guns...

In Belgium we are actually allowed quite a lot compared to NL FR or UK
Reloading is fine (UK requires license, Ireland banned)
Semi autos are fine
buying boxes of 1000 rds 762 and 1000 rds 556 and 1000 rds 45ACP in one go.. nobody bats an eyelid (except for my GP when I had done my back in hauling it to the house)

There is only a limit of maximum 10kg total smokeless powder to be on premise at any given time.
And it is really just a hazards regulations limit, not entirely gun law limitation as far as I am aware.
Well, 10 kg of powder is a lot of ammo and reloading components, I can assure you..

Unless you are hoarding loads of different types of powder, and not really using it often.. you are not going to be limited by that 10 kg.
And you can get around it.. if you have a good neighbor and have him store another 10 kg in his garden shed.. just in case (Belgians are masters at bending rules ;) )

Anyone know how it works in France and/or Italy, in terms of sport pistol shooting, ownerships, collectors, etc?

Anyone who is interested.

Those rules and regulations are about the same as here in New Zealand. And Australia is much the same too.

Some guys have something like 200 guns and own browning machine guns, by having a collector licence, but you aren't allowed to shoot them. Pistols, they are getting a bit snarly about them and you HAVE to do at least 12 shoots at the club per year.

Great information guys, thank you very much. It sounds like at least a few European countries allow greater freedoms than some of our states, Second Amendment notwithstanding. But we have other threads in which we can discuss those matters. Let's get back to our regularly scheduled programming (pics) on this one.

Here is my current pair of 1911's. Full sized Colt, Officer's Model sized Kimber. They both shoot 230 grain cast round noses or 200 grain cast semi-wadcutters equally well. My defensive load uses the 230 grain XTP from Hornady in a +P level load that touches 900 fps from the longer barrel. The stocks on the Colt are Goncalo Alves, a Brazilian hardwood that S&W used to use on some of their revolver grips.

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Now all you need is a good holster to pocket carry!

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Similar to Belgium.. its all subject To EU regs above the nation..
So in big lines its the same but there are minor differences, France is stricter on military time semi auto stuff. looser on sound suppressors.


the bigger countries outside the big cities have more hunting and the hunting makes that aspect of gun laws more relaxed.

Didn't Kiwiland and Aus have huge gun bans, and big restrictions as a result of some shooting (OZ long ago, Kiwi more recently)?
Like Oz, nothing Semi, just sports shooting guns, pretty close to UK?

I would not call it bigger freedoms tho.. there is strict registration and there are few places to shoot..

Over to pics :D

This is probably my next purchase.. Model 70 for some long range shooting in UK

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had a Model 70 before, good action, good barrels(by FN).
And its nice to shoot a bone stock Model 70 against AI Sniper chassis rifles and beat them :D BTDT

But probably will get a Stainless, that mat barrel coating did not hold up loast time, was very easy to damage and get rust through , hat to keep it wet all with gun oil at all times

Oh yes. Some Australian guy shot up a bunch of Muslims at a mosque in Christchurch NZ. Since then any autoloading centrefire rifle has been outlawed. My ten shot Benelli M2 had to become a seven shot and no Mini 14 for me :(

It was a popular thing for the government (Labour/left/democrat) to do, banning evil guns. Particularly black coloured military looking ones.

some toys

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Apparently Goex has gotten some product out the door. Pissed off a lot of retailers by taking it to the big friendship shoot and selling it at near wholesale price....

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This is my budget sniper rifle.
A Tikka T3X lite, in .308. (2.9kgs/6.4Lbs, without a scope)
GRS bifrost stock, I've added a bipod.
Very smooth action, even better than my Sauer S404.

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Ah yes, the ubiquitous Model 70. When I was still traveling a bit to hunt, and I wanted something no muss, no fuss, it was always one or the other of my M70's. Both are similarly outfitted, with Leupold 1.5-4x Vari-X III's, and back up open sights. Both are also zeroed with their own Williams peep sight that I just carry in my pocket. The glass stocked rifle is chambered in .375 H&H, the wood stocked one in .30-'06.

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Funny you should mention their matte black barrel coating - I have had the same bad experiences with it, times ten. I've long since lost track of how many rainy Alaska (and Washington, and Oregon) nights the .375 sat outside under the awning on a wall tent (we don't bring them in at night in wet environs for a number of reasons), audibly rusting. I swear I could hear the rust crackling as it formed...

O.k., a slight exageration, but I swear I have never had another rifle rust so easily. Must be the porosity of the finish or something. My traditionally blued rifles do not rust nearly as badly under the same conditions. Pretty disappointing trait of an otherwise outstanding rifle.

Can you Cerakote or similar the rust-prone Model 70?

Yup, that's certainly a solution. I understand there are kits that allow us to do this at home. I think they need to be baked in an oven. Which is fine, my wife is used to seeing gun parts in the oven, car parts in the dishwasher, etc. I would be just a bit worried about surface prep, though. If I do it I would probably send it out to a pro. It's not like I couldn't live without it for awhile - I have two other .375's. How in the hell that happened still baffles me, but somehow here I am.

The M70 in question is in the middle, wearing a Boyd's laminated stock. I used that stock for exactly one hunt and just couldn't stand it. It's prettier than the glass stock, but twice as heavy, and just very poorly proportioned. It feels like I'm holding a baseball bat by the wrong end. The other two rifles are a #1 Tropical and a M98 Mauser:

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Guy a mile down the road from me is a certified ceracoat guy, really nice shop and can do some incredible work.

I got a hankering for another P239 and tracked down the guy to whom I sold this one a few years ago. He's considering selling it back to me. We just need to work out the right deal.

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And I threw some nickel controls parts kits into two of my P365s today too.

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Richard that is soooo sweet!!!

I’m thinking about my next spoon. The last three have been bullseye pistols, time for something else.

Have always wanted a HK P7.

I had a P230 stainless, Very good when it worked,
Felt really good in the hand, like an elegant purty PPK

point N shoot : draw blam blam on the move.. 2 inches left low and 2nd one perfect center.
but it was very finicky and would stove pipe on cold days..

For such a gun , the whole point is concealment and working in a SHTF situation
And I didn't trust that gun to work when it has to .

looked beautiful tho..

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The old Squeeze cocker, Its on my want list.
Ive shot a friends one some time ago, really cool guns

But extra mags are EXPENSIVE, if you can even find em

and they look really nice with wood grips :

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I had a few P7s, really, really regret selling them. I got two from CDNN for $500 each. Another I had in hard chrome with night sights, I paid around $1000 for 15+ yrs. ago. Germany recently decommissioned about 30k of them for various police forces. I don't know if they decided to destroy them or they're still in limbo and may get exported to the US.

I doubt they got sold.. They are rare as henns teeth even here in Europe

And that P239 is not stainless, but rather refinished in Robar's NP3. Robar stopped doing that for civilians a while ago and another shop has developed their own version of it called NT7 (nickel teflon). But it's just too expensive now, even though the shop is local and I can drop off and pick up in person.