Please explain to me "My first gun."

[widgeon13]

Originally Posted by Jferr006

Whether it s a gun marketed for 5 y/o's or adults it the parents' resonsibility to make sure guns are secured!

Bingo, doesn't seem too difficult to understand.

[Jferr006]

Originally Posted by red-beard

Failed at what? Passing meaningless legislation to make the uninformed electorate THINK they did something?

Whoaaaa.. Both parties a) compaines marketing guns to kids and secondarily b) parents that bought those guns and then didn't secure them or supervise properly.. NOT political parties.

[flipper35]

Originally Posted by techweenie

Oh, lord. Pink plastic (real) rifles that look like toys have been around for 100 years? That is just a bizarre comment.

Sorry, folks, I reserve the right to think the company is doing the wrong thing by marketing a .22 that's designed to look like a toy, and I haven't seen an ounce of logical discussion that persuades otherwise.

Pink rifles and pistols in adult sizes have been around for many, many years. You can go buy a pink Hello Kitty AR style rifle if you so desire. Pink plastic real rifles that look like toys...

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by Jferr006

Whoaaaa.. Both parties a) compaines marketing guns to kids and secondarily b) parents that bought those guns and then didn't secure them or supervise properly.. NOT political parties.

Sorry to have mistaken what you meant.

Back on topic, I don't see the problem with designing a firearm with training a child in mind. It could only be marketed as such. And only an Adult can purchase. Still not seeing the issue.

[Jim Bremner]

The only failure here is the parents. Toys are toys. Guns are not toys.

Guns belong in the households but they need to be secured and not played with as toys.

Four sons have grown up under my roof and countless friends and cousins in and out.

Not once was a gun in the hands of anyone with out me being in control and the gun deemed safe

We had pellet and BB guns at home as well. They stayed in the safe as well and the only time they came out I was watching over usage.

One of the four wouldn't follow rules with his bb gun with my supervision and was sent in to the house due to lack of his ability to maintain a safe usage.

[70SATMan]

Originally Posted by red-beard

Failed at what? Passing meaningless legislation to make the uninformed electorate THINK they did something?

Who said legislation is required? Who said they felt legislation was needed? I must have missed that and I apologize in advance if I did.

I thought we were discussing whether a company should feel a moral responsibility to appropriately market or produce a product.

[Jferr006]

Originally Posted by 70SATMan

Who said legislation is required? Who said they felt legislation was needed? I must have missed that and I apologize in advance if I did.

I thought we were discussing whether a company should feel a moral responsibility to appropriately market or produce a product.

He got confused, I said 'both parties failed' meaning the companies/the parents, he thought I meant 'political parties'.. misunderstanding.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by Jferr006

I don't even disagree with you there but, they do make it(as well as tons of other fake/real/toy/weapons) and that's where that whole parental accountability kicks in. It's a shame both parties failed here.

Make no mistake...this tragedy falls solely upon the parent imo. But...(and I'm gonna get hammered for saying this, and I'm certainly not talking about you Janet), most females that I've been around have no freakin' clue about guns, and many don't have the gumption to say NO when their little darlin' wants "whatever" their little heart's desire. I do in fact believe that the psychology of "pink" enters into this equation somehow, but can't quantify it. I played with toy guns too, along with shooting real ones at an early age, so I'm a walking contradiction .

ps: The Newtown mom was the epitome of this type of tragedy imo...

[70SATMan]

Originally Posted by red-beard

Back on topic, I don't see the problem with designing a firearm with training a child in mind. I could only be marketed as such. And only an Adult can purchase. Still not seeing the issue.

You've given me an idea... Marketing non alcoholic beer to 6 yr olds.

[Burnin' oil]

By the time I was 9 I was shooting apples off my sister's head - no big deal.

[70SATMan]

Originally Posted by Jferr006

He got confused, I said 'both parties failed' meaning the companies/the parents, he thought I meant 'political parties'.. misunderstanding.

Ahhh. Makes sense.

Again, I agree...

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by techweenie

Oh, lord. Pink plastic (real) rifles that look like toys have been around for 100 years? That is just a bizarre comment.

Sorry, folks, I reserve the right to think the company is doing the wrong thing by marketing a .22 that's designed to look like a toy, and I haven't seen an ounce of logical discussion that persuades otherwise.

Here is the first page of Cricket's website. That action is basically a modified Mouser, or a bit over 115 years old.



They also make them in various low power calibers, match barrels, stainless barrels and key hole stocks.

Other companies make "Hello Kitty" AR-15s

[70SATMan]

Originally Posted by Burnin' oil

By the time I was 9 I was shooting apples off my sister's head - no big deal.

That was with a bow...

Totally different thing... sheesh!

[Jferr006]

Originally Posted by KC911

Make no mistake...this tragedy falls solely upon the parent imo. But...(and I'm gonna get hammered for saying this, and I'm certainly not talking about you Janet), most females that I've been around have no freakin' clue about guns, and many don't have the gumption to say NO when their little darlin' wants "whatever" their little heart's desire. I do in fact believe that the psychology of "pink" enters into this equation somehow, but can't quantify it. I played with toy guns too, along with shooting real ones at an early age, so I'm a walking contradiction .

ps: The Newtown mom was the epitome of this type of tragedy imo...

It's simple for me, I have boys. Nothing is "cute" to them, they aren't allowed to point toy guns at anyone and the youngest will be lucky if I ever let him move out because he's a balls out madman. Give him a gun? bahaha .I'm afraid to give him a crayon, I'm on constant suicide watch as it is.

[red-beard]

One more little thing here. Where in the news article about the tragedy is the rifle pink? It was a boys gun. I doubt he'd be wanting a pink rifle. This is the reducto absurdum I've been talking about in this entire thread.

[varmint]

One more little thing here. Where in the news article about the tragedy is the rifle pink? It was a boys gun. I doubt he'd be wanting a pink rifle. This is the reducto absurdum I've been talking about in this entire thread.

Are you saying we should discriminate against gay children who want to learn to shoot?

[red-beard]

Oh, and here is the same rifle actually for sale:

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by Jferr006

It's simple for me, I have boys. Nothing is "cute" to them, they aren't allowed to point toy guns at anyone and the youngest will be lucky if I ever let him move out because he's a balls out madman. Give him a gun? bahaha .I'm afraid to give him a crayon, I'm on constant suicide watch as it is.

By the time I was 12 I had killed all my childhood friends thousands of times with toy guns . I grew up in a different time though...I also knew what it was like to hunt small animals with a shotgun and watch life cease to be. There is a disconnect in today's society, and I don't believe that marketing pink guns to the masses helps anything but a co's bottome line. We don't package dangerous poisins, etc. in "cute" pink packaging that looks like candy for a reason too. Just my .02 worth......

[flipper35]

Janet, I have a 3.5 year old just like that with two modes of operation, full out and sleep. Same rules though that no guns, toy or otherwise, get pointed at people. I have let him shoot a low powered 180fps airsoft gun by himself on full auto while I was supervising and have let him shoot a high powered airsoft rifle with my hands on as well. When he gets one of these in his hands he switches his whole personality, just like when he goes from driving his Power Wheels dune buggy to driving a real car and goof off mode goes away. That being said, he touches nothing more dangerous than a cap gun by himslef and it will be a couple years before he gets to shoot sissy's Red Ryder under close supervision. When he does get to shoot he will be a good shot, he already hits his somewhat large target at 15 yards with the little airsoft gun with no optics. He does real well with the reflex sight on the other.

[winders]

Originally Posted by Jferr006

Whoaaaa.. Both parties a) compaines marketing guns to kids and secondarily b) parents that bought those guns and then didn't secure them or supervise properly.

The gun manufacturer did not fail here. The gun reseller did not fail here. The gun laws did not fail here. The parent or parents failed here.

Saying the gun company failed is like saying a knife company failed when their knife was used by a 5 year old to kill her baby sister. Ludicrous!

Scott