Please explain to me "My first gun."

[Jferr006]

Mine turned 3 yesterday and he's always been, like you said, full on or out cold. The 6 y/o is an old soul and very responsible.... That's where we use our good judgement

[flipper35]

Originally Posted by KC911

By the time I was 12 I had killed all my childhood friends thousands of times with toy guns . I grew up in a different time though...I also knew what it was like to hunt small animals with a shotgun and watch life cease to be. There is a disconnect in today's society, and I don't believe that marketing pink guns to the masses helps anything but a co's bottome line. We don't package dangerous poisins, etc. in "cute" pink packaging that looks like candy for a reason too. Just my .02 worth......

At 10-12 most can easily discern what they can and what they should not point at other people. The problem I had at that age was that my friends wouldn't belive I shot them and then we would argue.

My question, at what age is a pink gun appropriate then? My 11 year old wants a pink 10/22 but I said no because she has to share it with her brother when he is older or pay for it herself since we just bought her a Marlin in 30-30 for deer season. I guess I shouldn't wrap the 30-30 stock in pink digital camo? Kidding, she likes that one as is.

[flipper35]

Originally Posted by Jferr006

Mine turned 3 yesterday and he's always been, like you said, full on or out cold. The 6 y/o is an old soul and very responsible.... That's where we use our good judgement

Do you have the same issues getting him to transition from full out to out? Ours lays in bed and had a hard time winding down for the day and then gets up early and doesn't understand why everyone is not up since it is daylight. "You don't sleep when it is daylight".

Sorry 'bout the hijack.

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by KC911

There is a disconnect in today's society, and I don't believe that marketing pink guns to the masses helps anything but a co's bottome line. We don't package dangerous poisins, etc. in "cute" pink packaging that looks like candy for a reason too. Just my .02 worth......

There is a disconnect in this thread: The rifle wasn't pink

[Jferr006]

Quote de Jferr006

Mine turned 3 yesterday and he's always been, like you said, full on or out cold. The 6 y/o is an old soul and very responsible.... That's where we use our good judgement

Do you have the same issues getting him to transition from full out to out? Ours lays in bed and had a hard time winding down for the day and then gets up early and doesn't understand why everyone is not up since it is daylight. "You don't sleep when it is daylight".



Sorry 'bout the hijack.

Fortunately he's a great sleeper and goes to bed easily( probably because he's as exhausting to himself as he is to us) and often I have to wake him up. While he's awake there is little winding down.

[Chocaholic]

Have to agree with the OP and suggest Moses is off the mark. 4th generation American here and none in my woodpile ever owned a firearm. So, it's not a requirement or SOP.

No problem with responsible gun ownership but despite the assertions throughout this thread, I'm sure each can think of lapses in terms of responsibility. In this case, a 2 year old is dead. Any comparison to lightning, hand tools, or drowning is just asenine when discussing 5 year olds with access to firearms. Making such comparisons reinforce a lack of judgement in my humble opinion.

Not in favor of recent control methods but strongly in favor of real consequences for irresponsible ownership resulting in accidental death. Not unlike DUI homicide.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by red-beard

There is a disconnect in this thread: The rifle wasn't pink

Sorry 'bout that...I'd like to say that it won't happen again, but I'd be a liar .

I just skimmed the thread and took the "pink" angle...point taken.

Brent...was it a Marlin 336C? That was my first deer rifle too, but I was a bit older than your daughter. "Gun maturity" doesn't have a thing to do with a someone's age. My college roommate told me about his best friend that accidently shot himself a few weeks ago, and we got to talking about guns and stuff. My buddy wants to go shooting when he moves closer with a nice collection he's inherited. I will not go with him...and he will never know why.

[BlueSkyJaunte]

It's not the parents' fault, obviously the kid bought the gun off the internet without even a background check!

[ZOA NOM]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

Have to agree with the OP and suggest Moses if off the mark. 4th generation American here and none in my woodpile ever owned a firearm. So, it's not a requirement or SOP.

No problem with responsible gun ownership but despite the assertions throughout this thread, I'm sure each can think of lapses in terms of responsibility. In this case, a 2 year old is dead. Any comparison to lightning, hand tools, or drowning is just asenine when discussing 5 year olds with access to firearms. Making such comparisons reinforce a lack of judgement in my humble opinion.

Not in favor of recent control methods but strongly in favor of real consequences for irresponsible ownership resulting in accidental death. Not unlike DUI homicide.

What sort of punishment would you feel is appropriate for the mother who just lost her daughter at her son's hand? Would you feel different if the chld had run into the street and got hit by a car, or drowned in a pool? It was a tragic mistake, that she will live with forever. The need for punishment will change nothing.

[flipper35]

It is a 30AS, no ramped front sight? Had a thread on it a while ago. Here in Wisconsin the mentoring program lets young hunters enjoy the outdoors with a mentor but you only get one gun between the two of you. We purchased a Williams peep sight but will be selling that for a Skinner set, they have a more elegant solution that covers the scope mount screw holes.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by BlueSkyJaunte

It's not the parents' fault, obviously the kid bought the gun off the internet without even a background check!

I'm calling bs! I read on the Internet that Rick Lee sold it to him in a parking lot deal .

In all seriousness though, (and I'm a staunch defender of our 2nd), I think we are going to continue to see such "tragedies" as guns proliferate to many who simply have NO CLUE. I don't have any answers...

[ZOA NOM]

Originally Posted by KC911

I'm calling bs! I read on the Internet that Rick Lee sold it to him in a parking lot deal .

In all seriousness though, (and I'm a staunch defender of our 2nd), I think we are going to continue to see such "tragedies" as guns proliferate to many who simply have NO CLUE. I don't have any answers...

The cold reality is that it's natural selection. Clean up the mess and move forward.

[Rikao4]

no , we will hear and see crying folks on the TV..
O & his ilk love tragedy..

it's what they want..
their knee-jerk reactions supported by lofo's..

what we don't see or hear much about..
is what V shows in his thread..
guns save lives..
by terminating our often government sponsored trash..


Rika

[Buckterrier]

Originally Posted by IROC

Everyone around here is armed to the teeth and the relationship between "armed to the teeth" and "responsible parents" is an inverse correlation.

Just thinning out the herd.

[Buckterrier]

Originally Posted by KC911

Make no mistake...this tragedy falls solely upon the parent imo.

Why is it a tragedy? 250,000 300,000 die a day. This one death is a tragedy???

[70SATMan]

Yes,

Any death of a child that could be reasonably avoided is a tragedy.

[flipper35]

Amen to that.

[flipper35]

One thing that I didn't like but have come to view as not as bad as I thought was when I lived in CA you had to show you reasonably understood how a handgun worked and could handle it safely before you could buy one.

A moment of distraction can ruin a family. I feel bad for the 5 year old for his feelings in the future.

[Racerbvd]

A kid gets fat, so Fast food is to blame, not the fact that the kid sits on his butt plaving games on a PC or that the parent takes them to XYZ fast food instead of cooking or going to a real restaurant.

A kid gets hurt on a motorized scooter, blame the scooter manufacture, not the kid for riding it off the roof, or the parent for buying it.

So, the real problem as I see it is the PARENTS not being good parents. When I was little, we had guns in the house, and I knew where they were, but I also knew that I was not to TOUCH them without my Father there, and I knew that if I did, I would be in REAL trouble There was a REAL reaction to an action, responsibility was taken very serious, not this BS blaming everyone else.

There is a lot to be said about taking kids out to the range and teaching them about guns, as the sound & feel when the trigger is pulled leaves a lasting impression that a Gun is not a toy, and must not be treated as such and must be handled with respect.

I also grew up with a pool

Of course you can teach your kid how to shoot at a young age, and of course you'd do that on a rifle that's designed for it. Is that a toy that should be left laying around loaded? No! It is just negligence by the parent(s). There are a lot of other things in our lives that are deadly if not controlled properly. You are from L.A. - how many kids drown in the backyard swimming pool every year? Same root cause: Negligence.

I read in the paper not long ago about a couple pushing to have new regulations because they were TOO STUPID
and lazy to check behind their car before backing up

White House Dragging Feet On Car Tech Known For Saving Kids
Backup cameras save lives, but automakers squawking over costs
Posted: Dec 26, 2012 | By: Associated Press


Judy and Paul Neiman pose for a photo as she holds a photo of their daughter, Sydnee (Credit: AP).

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - In the private hell of a mother's grief, the sounds come back to Judy Neiman. Her SUV door slamming. The slight bump as she backed up in the bank parking lot. The emergency room doctor's sobs as he said her 9-year-old daughter Sydnee, who previously had survived four open heart surgeries, would not make it this time after being backed over by her Mother's hulking SUV.

Her own cries of: How could I have missed seeing her?

The 53-year-old woman has sentenced herself to go on living in the awful stillness of her West Richland, Wash., home, where she makes a plea for what she wants since she can't have Sydnee back: More steps taken by the government and automakers to help prevent parents from accidentally killing their children, as she did a year ago this month.

"They have to do something, because I've read about it happening to other people. I read about it and I said, 'I would die if it happens to me,'" Neiman says. "Then it did happen to me."
There is, in fact, a law in place that calls for new manufacturing requirements to improve the visibility behind passenger vehicles to help prevent such fatal backing crashes, which the government estimates kill some 228 people every year - 110 of them children age 10 and under - and injures another 17,000.

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So, because some parents are too stupid and lazy to walk around their car (notice they try and blame it on the Hulking SUV) it is the car manufactures & SUVs fault that stupid people back over their kids

What kind of parents gets in a car and goes someplace without knowing where their 9 year old is?? Plus, having kids, you would think they would be smart enough to make sure the kids didn't leave anything in the drive way before pulling out.. Only stupid people & bad parenting to blame for these, not the manufacture of Pink guns or Hulking SUVs

[ZOA NOM]

Originally Posted by flipper35

One thing that I didn't like but have come to view as not as bad as I thought was when I lived in CA you had to show you reasonably understood how a handgun worked and could handle it safely before you could buy one.

A moment of distraction can ruin a family. I feel bad for the 5 year old for his feelings in the future.

And this is where the problem lies... a reasonable, law-abiding citizen slowly becomes affected by the emotion of the issue, rather than the logic, and allows for just the slightest infringement, after all, think of the lives that could be saved...