A pencil is a weapon.

[VaSteve]

I also have an 8 year old boy. Al he talks about are guns, bazookas, atomic bombs, etc. I don't talk about that stuff so he must hear it at school. This country has gotten rediculous.

[mikeesik]

Originally Posted by VaSteve

I also have an 8 year old boy. Al he talks about are guns, bazookas, atomic bombs, etc. I don't talk about that stuff so he must hear it at school. This country has gotten rediculous.

No it's insanity.

[cashflyer]

uh oh...

[bell]

the pen is truly mightier than the sword - YouTube

[legion]

Originally Posted by lane912

zero tolerance is a stupid idea-

how can we in one sentance teach to be tolerant of others, their way of life and zero tolerance of others and their choices-

Try having this argument with a progressive some time. The mental gymnastics are astounding.

For example, in college, my RA explained to me that quietly drinking in my room was somehow "disruptive", but his all-night, screaming gay sex orgies were okay. I was instructed to be "tolerant" of his lifestyle, but when I asked him to be tolerant of mine, he would explain why tolerance didn't apply to me.

[mikeesik]

Originally Posted by cashflyer

uh oh...

Lol.
You know when a boy has a pencil that big, either he's gonna be popular with the girls or
He is using it as a pike to display the head of his elementary school aquaintance that he just murdered with his compass.
BTW- Can kids bring compass's to school now or. ..........I dont know what to say.

[mikeesik]

Originally Posted by legion

Try having this argument with a progressive some time. The mental gymnastics are astounding.

For example, in college, my RA explained to me that quietly drinking in my room was somehow "disruptive", but his all-night, screaming gay sex orgies were okay. I was instructed to be "tolerant" of his lifestyle, but when I asked him to be tolerant of mine, he would explain why tolerance didn't apply to me.

Nuts!
There has to be a reason how/why this change happened and so quickly.
Is it because -its the new modern way-?
That still doesnt explain it for me. There is no logic to it.
Modern today, is not usually good.

[bell]

It has to do with personal accountability and placing blame on objects.........
No child left behind had turned into no child being taught common sense.....
They are all fear mongrels.......
Wtf has happened to common sense?

[mikeesik]

Originally Posted by bell

It has to do with personal accountability and placing blame on objects.........
No child left behind had turned into no child being taught common sense.....
They are all fear mongrels.......
Wtf has happened to common sense?

Hear hear....

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by bell

It has to do with personal accountability and placing blame on objects.........
No child left behind had turned into no child being taught common sense.....
They are all fear mongrels.......
Wtf has happened to common sense?

The teachers union doesn't allow it

[look 171]

I picked up my kids, 5 and 7 from school a few weeks ago. The little one was playing in the school yard shooting with their water bottles making machine gun noises. The principle heard that and put a stop to that immediately. I am surprise they don't ban Transformer t shirts, and lunch boxes. They shoot bad guys all the time. That exactly what the kids were doing. Many of you know I do not own a gun and haven't shot a gun since I was 20, but I was going to say something to her but decided not to. Its like arguing religion with the *******s around here.

[look 171]

Why did the l i b t a r d s got can in my last sentence?

[GWN7]

When my son was in grade 2 I received a phone call from his school telling me there was a incident between him and another child. The other child had a stick and was using it as a gun. He poked my son with it and the stick hit my son just below his eye. A inch higher and it would have been in my sons eye. The other kid was suspended for a week under the schools zero tolerance policy towards violence.

This was twenty years ago. There was no CNN trucks outside my home waiting for a interview. No moral outrage. Just two kids who learned a lesson that day (and the other kids parents). The other kid learned not to poke someone with a stick at school and his parents learned to find him a sitter for the week. Mine learned not to let someone poke him with a stick cause it hurts. Life went on.

[Bill Douglas]

Times have changed, we were all about "bomb the Dardanelles" and war games. We all wanted to be the Germans as they were more interesting.

[mikester]

Zero Tolerance does not teach anyone anything.

The whole thing is dumb. My son has been told, along with other boys in his class they are not allowed to play guns during recess. He hasn't been suspended yet and I'm positive he's had to be reminded because if it isn't part of him physically he will forget it the instant he learns it until he realizes I have forgotten in then he will remember and remind me that I forgot it.

We have baseball practice on his school campus. He brought a toy gun with him when we went. I told him to leave it in the car, there are no guns allowed on campus toy or otherwise. He didn't leave it in the car. I told him to go put it in the car right before practice started and he did so. After practice he's out there running around with the gun again on campus. WTF!? I tell him again of course...

when we get home he asks if he can play with my ipad - I say 'Dude, it's pretty sad - I don't have the energy to let you play with my ipad because of the whole gun on campus thing from earlier.'

DOH!

Boys learn through consequences.

[Evans, Marv]

Common sense went out the window a long time ago. We never pretended pencils were guns, we pretended they were swords. So we used to play fight and stick each other with the pencil tips. I had little black dots on my arms, shoulders, & legs until I was pretty old. We never got into trouble for that, but it was a long time back. Mikeesik is correct too. The general testosterone level of the male population is going steadily down.

[Bill Douglas]

The average kid doesn't grow up to be a mass murderer. The average kid grows up to be a great person. Profiling will help identify the odd ones.

[mikeesik]

Originally Posted by Bill Douglas

The average kid doesn't grow up to be a mass murderer. The average kid grows up to be a great person. Profiling will help identify the odd ones.

Hello Bill Douglas. How do you mean?

[Bill Douglas]

Ya know, most kids are kids and grow into decent adults.

[WolfeMacleod]

Originally Posted by Evans, Marv

Common sense went out the window a long time ago. We never pretended pencils were guns, we pretended they were swords. So we used to play fight and stick each other with the pencil tips. I had little black dots on my arms, shoulders, & legs until I was pretty old. We never got into trouble for that, but it was a long time back. Mikeesik is correct too. The general testosterone level of the male population is going steadily down.

When I was in high school, I made a few swords in metal shop. I did have to do some pretty good convincing, though.

But.. this zero-tolerance thing has reached a high level of stupidity.