Zimmerman

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

you set an extremely low bar for a beating.

A beating in progress...stopped because the victim fortunately had a gun...or else it would have likely been much worse. Zimmerman had every reason to expect it to continue.

[porwolf]

Originally Posted by manbridge 74

Answering your possibly drunk post high lighted in bold above.... You might believe there are more bad people than good, in which case you might have a point.

The truth is very different. As is, perhaps, your version of paradise(anarchy).

Too many yahoos with guns. That is and will even be a much bigger problem!

[Rodsrsr]

Originally Posted by fintstone

Once again, the bar must be low to get a beating where you live. The same is true for considering Zimmerman's behavior to have somehow "brought it on himself."

Calling something a "fight" where I come from implies both parties are participating. If the other guy is not punching back...why would you continue hitting the man after your initial blow knocked him down unless you were intending to do some serious damage? Most people would not have hestiated to shoot the attacker. Zimmerman cried out for help for a long time and took the beating. After determining he had no other recourse since Martin would not stop...pulling the gun and shooting was the only remaining alternative.

I forgot that everyone on the street is a trained fighter able to knock people down with one punch. The problem with your reasoning is that its based 100% on pure speculation. You weren't there so you have no idea how the events went down. Its also ironic that the police arrived a minute or so later, so the reality is that Z would not have died and brought this whole mess on himself.

[Tobra]

Voted guilty of manslaughter, but he is most certainly not guilty of that.

[VINMAN]

Originally Posted by bell

I want to point out something I'm sure many of you aren't aware of regarding how communities in the Orlando area.....
There is no 1 nice neighborhood, or bad......(except pine hills)
There are nothing but gated communities here, and they are splattered and surrounded by shady areas....
You could have gated development with 2 million dollar houses in it which is boxed in by all section 8 homes.......
So having heard that there were breakins in his community doesn' suprise me, and could be the reason he followed.......the layout here is different than any other part of the country.....demographics change street to street, not town to town.......
Just putting this out there

After my son moved to Orlando, and I went to visit him the first time, I was amazed at how the demographics in his neighborhood literally changed from street to street. he was in a nice gated place but two blocks away reminded me of the South Bronx. I was pretty upset that he moved there after seeing that.

As far as the original topic, he will be found guilty.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by EMJ

As mentioned previously, I'd hardly call this incident a "fight." This appeared to be self preservation and TM could've been trying to incapacitate Zimmerman. I guess this is what you don't see. Zimmerman did have a gun - TM might've been reacting to it. Not too hard to discern. Clearly Zimmerman wasn't incapacitated right up to the point of the shooting.

Z was carrying legally. If TM reacted to it by attacking/beating Z...he still has a problem.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by romad

maybe you should watch the fights more...even the winner comes out with black eyes and swallow face. If old chubby George was getting pummeled in the face as described than the blows were not that severe.

My guess is Treyvon got the one face punch in ..George when down Treyvon jumped on ...George banged his head on the concrete in his struggle, but I don't think Treyvon was hitting Zimmerman much after that at least not hard.....George felling like a ***** getting handled by a kid pulls his gun and extracts his pussy ass justice.

Some do...some do not. Martin lacked in training.

Guess we would do well to teach young men not to face punch folks...you never know if they might be carrying. Would you feel the same if Zimmerman had been a woman? If so, why/why not?

[manbridge 74]

Originally Posted by porwolf

Too many yahoos with guns. That is and will even be a much bigger solution!

Quoted/fixed/repaired in truth (in bold above) for your non-american selves!

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by Rodsrsr

I forgot that everyone on the street is a trained fighter able to knock people down with one punch. The problem with your reasoning is that its based 100% on pure speculation. You weren't there so you have no idea how the events went down. Its also ironic that the police arrived a minute or so later, so the reality is that Z would not have died and brought this whole mess on himself.

Actually it is based on testimony of the only witness and injuries that match. It is not difficult to get a single punch knockdown...especially in a surprise attack. A minute is a long time (30 to 60 more blows to the head)...the injuries we see and the shooting apparently only took about a minute.

[manbridge 74]

Originally Posted by fintstone

Some do...some do not. Martin lacked in training.

Guess we would do well to teach young men not to face punch folks...you never know if they might be carrying. Would you feel the same if Zimmerman had been a woman? If so, why/why not?

Excellent question. My guess would be that she deserved her insemination. Fffffff her via current media attention.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by fintstone

A beating in progress...stopped because the victim fortunately had a gun...or else it would have likely been much worse. Zimmerman had every reason to expect it to continue.

you know it would be worse how?

don't bother answering, it isn't worth it. The bar for a beating is a LOT higher than what Zimmerman's injuries indicate. That's why he's guilty of manslaughter. And he even provoked the entire thing. anyway.

[porwolf]

Originally Posted by dipso

Finn, your funny. Nobody saw the initial contact. But the one witness who heard it said she heard travon say 'get off me'.
That means zimmerman touched first.

That is the only thing that makes sense. Trayvor Martin was walking home peacefully to his father's house in Zimmerman's neighborhood. Zimmerman was intent on not letting young Trayvor Martin "get away". So he followed him unnecessarily an started harassing him. When Tayvor kept walking, Zimmerman conscious the stand-your ground laws saw justified to shoot Trayvor Martin. That is the only thing that makes sense. Zimmerman's account of events is naturally highly self serving.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

The bar for a beating is a LOT higher than what Zimmerman's injuries indicate. .

Legally, I think he doesn't actually have to be injured at all.

JR

[Joe Bob]

Floriduh is #42.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/06/28/states-with-the-most-guns.html

[manbridge 74]

Originally Posted by porwolf

Too many yahoos with guns. That is and will even be a much safer thing(fixed)

I'll leave it to you to come live a mile in my moccasins(shoes).

[Tobra]

Why would Mr Martin have stopped beating on the creepy cracker that was following him? There is no evidence that Mr Zimmerman provoked anything, unless talking to someone is justification for a punch in the face. He got a broken nose and his head bounced off the ground at least a few times. He did not have lacerations on his hands, to my knowledge, but Mr Martin did.

You say Fint sets the bar too low. Okay, how severe must a beating be prior to defending yourself?

Originally Posted by romad

so in every fight you may have been in..... killing the individual would have been .well.....OK?

Could you please point out where anyone said or even implied this?

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by javadog

Legally, I think he doesn't actually have to be injured at all.

JR

If he wants to win in court he does.

I don't understand the love for a guy that got out of his car, accosted someone, and then killed that person.

We'll see folks being Zimmerman'ed a lot if he gets off.

[widgeon13]

Zimmerman verdict sparks worry of riots

I mentioned this in the other thread. People just can't accept or believe that justice will be served.

[Rodsrsr]

This is exactly why the Police told him "we dont need you to follow him" Zimmerman assumed somewhat of an authoritative, security type position as the neighborhood watch, which are specifically NOT to follow or engage by the way. He had an extra duty to go out of his way in order to effectively communicate who he was and what his intentions were if he happened to run into Martin. (again, had he followed police instructions this would not have happened) Not only did he lack basic self defense training, he also lacked basic conflict resolution training and overall interpersonal communication. The reality is that Zimmerman was an untrained citizen armed with a loaded gun attempting to play law enforcement. Due to his lack of training and poor judgment he put himself in a situation that ultimately claimed the life of an innocent person. I have a hard time seeing that he can bear no responsibility in this.

[porwolf]

Originally Posted by Tobra

Why would Mr Martin have stopped beating on the creepy cracker that was following him? There is no evidence that Mr Zimmerman provoked anything, unless talking to someone is justification for a punch in the face. He got a ..........

There is no evidence that young Martin was folllowing rogue "neighborhood watchman" Zimmerman. That is Z's self serving story and it does not make sense. Z obviously was following Martin and confronted him. That is what makes sense, period.