Gas Prices

[crustychief]

I drove with my son to FT Bliss this weekend, unloaded my bike and rode it back to San Diego. $3.09 in New Mexico, @ $3.19 across Arizona. It cost $300. to get there (F-250) and $60. to get back (Harley Road King).

[VINMAN]

$3.02 at Raceway this morning

[motion]

$3.79 for the cheap stuff in OC! We always get hosed!

[rouxroux]

$2.95 at many stations in our area (not just the indy stations with "fuel helper")

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by rouxroux

$2.95 at many stations in our area (not just the indy stations with "fuel helper")

The wholesale spot price in the gulf coast today is $2.525 for unleaded regular.

After taxes are added, they're pretty much giving it away at that price.

[RWebb]

so, there is no reason to use Chevron Super in a hotrodded 911 any more?

everybody has additives as good as Techron now?

[Hugh R]

Don't know about Orygun. But I know gas in Las Vegas comes from the Cal-New pipeline in Colton, from the Los Angeles refiners They dump all the gas and diesel in at different times, pump it to LV and when it gets there, they send the gas to the various distributors who add their own magic additives.

It used to be they'd send gas then diesel along in the same line one after the other and the guy at the other end knew about when the switch over would occur and start taking samples and measuring specific gravity, or something and then make a decision to switch from gas tanks to diesel tanks. The slop between the two went to a diesel tank.

They may be more sophisticated than that now.

[RWebb]

IIRC, ours comes from the north, but it is really about the additive packages that are dumped in before they retail it

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by RWebb

so, there is no reason to use Chevron Super in a hotrodded 911 any more?

everybody has additives as good as Techron now?

Chevron makes fine gas and techron is a fine additive. But it isn't noticeably better than any other brand of equal octane (in So Cal).

I can only speak for sure to this region, but it's so tightly regulated that even the additives are controlled and regulated as to how much, what kind, etc. There is very little difference in any gas brand if at all.
I have a bottle of techron in my garage, and every month or two I'll pour a couple ounces in the tank just for good measure.
I can't say it makes any difference but I have it so I might as well use it up.


I'd be more worried about betting OLD gas than which brand. if a station sells 1000 gallons a week I'd stay away.
If they sell 3000 gallons a day, you're more likely to get get good, fresh gas.

Today's reformulated gas looses (sp ) about an octane point or more per month 91 down to 90).
The longer it sits the weaker it gets and the more wax and varnish forms.
Also an underground tank that sits and doesn't do much volume has a higher chance of getting contaminated with water. On a good/bad scale, that'd be down at the bottom near the bad part.

I'd assume the gasoline in the PNW would be regulated just as tightly but that would just be a hunch.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by Hugh R

Don't know about Orygun. But I know gas in Las Vegas comes from the Cal-New pipeline in Colton, from the Los Angeles refiners They dump all the gas and diesel in at different times, pump it to LV and when it gets there, they send the gas to the various distributors who add their own magic additives.

It used to be they'd send gas then diesel along in the same line one after the other and the guy at the other end knew about when the switch over would occur and start taking samples and measuring specific gravity, or something and then make a decision to switch from gas tanks to diesel tanks. The slop between the two went to a diesel tank.

They may be more sophisticated than that now.

it is, The flow through some pipelines rarely if ever stops even though it can ship all sorts of different products but it's all computerized and they make very precise cuts.
They call that small portion between shipments "transmix". They cut it and re-route it and sell it back to the refineries as a blend stock or to re-run.
It's all sampled and tested to be on-spec (gubmint required) prior to final delivery.

[SteamWolf]

$1.70 a litre here for regular fuel. Think that works out to about $6.40 a gallon. On the plus side it's all 95 octane, and 98 or 100 is available at most places. We get ripped on price but you guys get ripped on quality.

[RWebb]

Thanks much.

I think our gas is less heavily regulated than in SoCal (we have no hot desert basin, and locally, our worst pollution (for many) is semi-natural (grass seed is grown here and the pollen causes lots and lots of asthma); with particulates (wood stoves) being the #2 villain). IIRC, we also do not have the extra regulatory step via CARB for SoCal.

I am a faithful cheap gas hunter for my DD (even caused an econ. prof. to wig out one time), but think I'll continue to try and use Chevron in the 911 (which has > 10:1 compression ratio). They just might add a little something extra and no regs. prevent them from exceeding the regs. for clean air.

Besides avoiding little used stations, I also avoid fillups right after the USTs get filled by a truck on the belief that it may roil the waters...

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

I'd be more worried about betting OLD gas than which brand. if a station sells 1000 gallons a week I'd stay away.
If they sell 3000 gallons a day, you're more likely to get get good, fresh gas.

Today's reformulated gas looses (sp ) about an octane point or more per month 91 down to 90).
The longer it sits the weaker it gets and the more wax and varnish forms.
Also an underground tank that sits and doesn't do much volume has a higher chance of getting contaminated with water. On a good/bad scale, that'd be down at the bottom near the bad part.

I'd assume the gasoline in the PNW would be regulated just as tightly but that would just be a hunch.

Sammy, we are luck enough to get 100% gas around here. It costs more but that is all I use.

I fill up the 911 and it usually takes me a couple of months to use a tank. I do make a long road trip every summer but most of the time I only drive the 911 once or twice a month. If I know it will be a long period I use Stabil in the tank.

Are you are suggesting use Stabil if it will take a month to use up a tank of gas? Even 100% gas?

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

Sammy, we are luck enough to get 100% gas around here. It costs more but that is all I use.

I fill up the 911 and it usually takes me a couple of months to use a tank. I do make a long road trip every summer but most of the time I only drive the 911 once or twice a month. If I know it will be a long period I use Stabil in the tank.

Are you are suggesting use Stabil if it will take a month to use up a tank of gas? Even 100% gas?

I doubt stab-bil will provide much benefit if the gas is only a month old.
But we don't know how long it took from the time it was refined, blended, shipped, delivered, and sold to you.
Usually refineries can't sit on a tank of finished product for more than a week or so depending on their tankage capacity. High volume high turnover.

So let's say that took a week. then it was shipped to a distributor, and maybe it sat for another week. then it was delivered to the station, where it was mixed with gas in an underground tank that had been sitting there for a couple weeks, and it sits there for another week until you buy it.

That gas is nearly a month old when you filled up worst case scenario.

In your case making sure yo go to a high volume dealer is even more important.

Joe's fillin' station out on route 9 where they sell maybe 200 gallons a week is probably not the hot ticket.

Not sure if filling all the way up is a good idea or not in your case. some folks say a full tank is better because it reduces the amount of vapor space (air with humidity). Can't speak to that specifically. I'd prolly go with half a tank at a time if I were you and you're glad I'm not.

Pure gas is good, alcohol absorbs moisture.
But does it have any oxygenated additives?
MTBE was a famous one and it absorbed moisutre, ethanol does the same. if you can get pure gas with no oxygenate that's better for longer term stability.

Then again, sta-bil is relatively cheeep and a couple ounces won't hurt ...

[FLYGEEZER]

Regular, 87 octane, $3.19/gal this morning in Louisville.

[GH85Carrera]

The place I get my gas has a lot of business. They stay busy. I have never had a problem with bad gas and I want to keep that streak going.

[A930Rocket]

$3.71 for a gallon of premium at the kangaroo station on the way to work.

[coldstart]

It is just under $5.00 per US gallon in the Toronto area for 87 octane.

CDN$1.27/L x 3.78 L/gallon / CDN$0.963 = USD$4.99 per gallon

It is almost $5.80 per US gallon for 91 octane.


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[gshase]

Costco $2.96 today.......I like the government shut down.

[creaturecat]

5.30/us gallon in Vancouver. for regular.
6.00 for premium. 94 octane.

a one dollar reduction, from 3 months ago.