Told the HOA to Stick it

[Hugh R]

I live in a 25 home HOA, I was the Prez for 15 years. I gave up being the Prez last Summer. Now the new HOA Prez says I can't have my RV on my property because its against the CC&Rs (which is true) to store an RV on the driveway or street, and that I have to move it to another location (think $50+/month) with no security.

Being the past Prez of the HOA, I know the CC&R's very well, they have no legal mechanism to fine me for anything other than late payment penalties for dues.

This HOA is pretty laid back, or was until the new Prez got elected, who I think is overall doing a fine job.

I told her that I wasn't going to move my RV off my property. Most houses have a short, like 25 foot driveway, and I understand not parking boats, RVs, etc on the street in front of houses or taking up their short driveways. It makes the neighborhood look congested and trashy.

However, I happen to have a 350 foot driveway and you can't even see the house from the street. She said "but people can see the RV when they walk up your driveway to go back into the "nature area", which happens to be my 18 acres of oak trees. I said that if it bothers people that much, I'll not allow anyone to wander up my driveway to walk through my Oak Tree backyard. She said I'm "not being a team player in beautification of the neighborhood". I said "I don't really care, people can walk up my driveway and enjoy my side area or not, but I'm not moving the RV. They don't like it, I'll put out an email to the HOA saying they can't walk up my driveway to enter my Oak forest (the average lot size is one acre, I happen to have 18 acres and about 1,000 acres of wild lands behind me).

Here is a pic of my house from the street, and a picture of my house 2/3rds of the way up my driveway. If it totally affects people's sensibilities, I'll buy a camo cover for the front of the RV.

[strupgolf]

Hell, I can barely see your back yard, let alone your RV. Good job telling them to stick it.

[javadog]

You've got to be kidding me. That woman doesn't have a functioning brain. Never mind that you can't see the RV, you're not parking it on the street or driveway anyway. She has no issue to raise with you.

If she opens her fool mouth again, close it for her.

JR

[vonsmog]

That sucks, just send a email to all members of the HOA and tell them due to complaints of the RV by walkers up the driveway, your property is now a no trespassing area, unless the one complaining apologizes to you and the other members of the HOA. This will put the rest against them and the Prez. of the HOA for wrecking it for the rest of them.

[craigster59]

One of these painted "baby-poo yellow" with an ugly wrought iron gate will keep them out, or so I've heard.

[Hugh R]

When I was Prez, we were a pretty easy going HOA, a few homeowners would park their ski boats on their short driveways for the Summer since they used them most weekends. No one cared, we just didn't want their boats living on their driveways after the Summer boating season.

I'm not a big fan of HOA's but this one is generally very good. 25 homes, we all know what is in the best interest of the community, and no one living here really wants to eff up a nice neighborhood of houses that are, more or less, worth about $750K to $1 million each.

[stomachmonkey]

Yeah tough **** on them.

I think that's perfect, you don't want to see it? Don't trespass on my property.

[Noah930]

It's not on your driveway and it's not in the street.

[Bugsinrugs]

You have to be kidding! One would have to go out of their way just to get a glimpse of your r.v.

[Moses]

Send her a plat map of your land subdivided into 18 one acre lots. Add a simple note; "How do you like me now?"

[dipso]

I couldn't even see it at first. It's behind the gate right? Technically that is not in your driveway or on the street, which could be considered common areas. But I doubt the side of your house is common.
Unless the CCRs are amended to say ' no parking of RVs period", I don't think they can do anything. Especially because Motorcycles, Three wheelers, Quads, Jet Skis, Fishing Boats, etc. Can all be considered recreational vehicles. And people that have those won't want to move them off their property.
Maybe you could just build your gate taller and hide the whole thing. Probably wouldn't look too bad.

[ODDJOB UNO]

after looking at the pic. enclose it(mini garage) or CAMOFLAGE IT!

and get TWO(2) MEAN AZZ'D ROTTEN-WEILERS(rotweilers) named "PANCHO and LEFTY!"

and a driveway camera......................COPS LOVE CAMERAS!

looking onto yer property by sneaking on and around is CALLED "STALKING!"

[ossiblue]

Originally Posted by dipso

I couldn't even see it at first. It's behind the gate right? Technically that is not in your driveway or on the street, which could be considered common areas. But I doubt the side of your house is common.
Unless the CCRs are amended to say ' no parking of RVs period", I don't think they can do anything. Especially because Motorcycles, Three wheelers, Quads, Jet Skis, Fishing Boats, etc. Can all be considered recreational vehicles. And people that have those won't want to move them off their property.
Maybe you could just build your gate taller and hide the whole thing. Probably wouldn't look too bad.

If the information in your initial post is accurate, then THIS^^

The RV is not on the driveway nor the street. The CC&R's do not forbid an RV on your property (if you cited them correctly.) You are not in violation of anything.

I think, to this point, you have handled it well and, if you want, you can emphatically deny that you are in violation. You may also remind the Prez that allowing the "public" on your property opens you up to liabilities should someone injure themselves while touring your wilderness property (this is a real issue for you unless you have some special arrangement with the HOA.) As you have already said, perhaps it's about time to withdraw permission to others due to harassment by visitors to your wilderness area (the complainer), and the legal liabilities involved.

[ODDJOB UNO]

oh yeah.....................after ya tell them to go COPULATE with them selves at mach 10 decibels to yourself 16 zillion times.



SMILE AT THEM EACH AND EVERYTIME YA SEE THEM! this pisses them off to NO END!




wayyyyy better than flipping them off or yelling "go copulate yerself you jerk off"


remember SMILE SMILE SMILE!

and if they are on fire....................dont piss to put them out.

these kind of jerks ALWAYS hang(copulate) themselves in the end.


i have this hoa in black and white for libel and slander against me to my boss i have known since we were 14. hoa didnt know that tidbit of MUCHO IMPORTANTE INFO now did they? rut row SCOOOO-BEE!

to what end will a lawsuit come of it? will i be rich? no. satisfied YES, but the cheapest and most POTENT weapon............... me and my boss's existence here not breaking any stoopid nazi edicts, AND SMILING! and that really REALLY PISSES THEM OFF!


how did this all come about? OPEN VOTING HERE! my boss DID NOT VOTE for the board (were azzwholes to him and me in the past here)on this hoa. and that was made public and the hoa prez started his childish tantrum with us. swear to gawd about the initial firecracker settin all the napalm off. un bee- weeve- able poo!

[Hugh R]

Dipso, thanks.

The CC&R's say something loose like no RVs on any property. I'm just not going to respond. And you are absolutely right, 35 year old CC&R's. And they are weak with little if no enforcement ability. If the camo doesn't work, I'll erect a 12 foot fence to hide it better.

[Ferraripete]

Originally Posted by Hugh R

Dipso, thanks.

The CC&R's say something loose like no RVs on any property. I'm just not going to respond. And you are absolutely right, 35 year old CC&R's. And they are weak with little if no enforcement ability. If the camo doesn't work, I'll erect a 12 foot fence to hide it better.

hugh, I worry that this situation is tantamount to fighting city hall. don't get wrapped around the wheel over what is legal and what is not. what is enforceable and what is not...w/ the HOA it does not matter. it sounds like that under your leadership a fair and even hand was on the tiller...not the case now.

good luck to you.

[Ferraripete]

Originally Posted by ODDJOB UNO

well hughr since i have made a name for myself with "baby poo yellow" moron neighbor story here. i do know something about zoning LAWS(and they are LAWS!) and i know something about NAZI HOA'S!

without going into details, i have dealt with the uberest SNOOTIEST BUNCH OF AZZ-WHOLE HOA MEMBERS for going on 17 yrs this thanksgiving.

they have all the time(most retired and deevorced 2-5+times) and a hell of a lot of $$$$$$ to swing a BIG RICHARD when they get in a pissin match with one another. and they do get in a pissin match almost weekly. then the naughty words cease and the BIGGEST RICHARD triumphs due to his legal TEAM. not lawyer.................LEGAL TEAM!. most decline battle at this point, but when it gets real pissy................out come the hired legal team and off to the races everyone goes. cuz as everyone KNOWS, when theres a lawsuit in an HOA.....................EVERYONE IN HERE PAYS$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

have nevar evar seen anything like this in my life and will NEVAR buy here nor live in a hoa because of these psycho cluster of moronic personalities stacked up nutts to butts next to each other.

99.9% are morons from other states. criminal records/civil suits and all their baggage follow them. thats just the way they are. and they hate life as they have NOTHING to do but feek with people and never been told the word "NO!". well until.......... they met me and my boss, who are the YOUNGEST here at age 56.

if the hoa FINES YOU.......................pay it with a certified check asap, keep records and then start legal proceedings to fight it. remember if you dont pay fine they CAN and WILL put a LIEN on yer pad. 99.9% of the time before it reaches court chicken poo hoa will decline court proceedings. but that 1/10th is what ya have to worry about and we have seen it 1st hand how it can escalate into the stratosphere as far as legal costs. aka as in a PEE PEE MATCH!


if theres 100 members.................its 51/49 when it comes to votes. and 50% plus never vote. since we have MORE VOTES than anyone here due to property holdings..............we carry a BIG STICK and know exactly what its like to have our azz'z kissed one day and then stabbed in the back the next.

the hoa will BURN YOU IN COURT IF IT STATES NO RVS BOATS etc. they have the power they have the MONEY to burn, as its all of yer neighbors MONEY to burn nailing YOU to the cross. and everyone will be pissed at YOU FOREVAR! thats the way it works trust me.


if its a mgmt company...............look out deep pockets there.


you can always petition the lord(hoa and members) for a variance, but thats like snowballs in hell to get them to change their NAZI RULES!

this hoa HATES US HERE! has discriminated against us/stalked us/spied on us/send employees to spy on us/endangered us/lied to us/lied about us. one meeting the nazi hoa would not allow my boss to speak at an hoa meeting one time. actually stated to him "ya know you have an anger mgmt issue!" and he had NEVER RAISED HIS VOICE OR SWORE!

its the "good 'ol boy psycho power trip syndrome gone wayyyyyyy WRONG and RETARDED!"

my sincere suggestion to you....................buy a building close and STORE THE RV!

the last 2 years of this present board has been beyond hell. people dont believe the crap i tell them that has gone on here.

but remember this................paybacks SUCK and the board can ONLY be elected for 2 years here.

good luck with this one.

i'd go get a 12 pack of coors lights and start pounding in "NO TRESPASSING VIOLATORS WILL BE SHOT" signs all around property. that will put a chill on yer ILLS, until they send you the nasty gram and its off to the races for ya.

yer choices:

1) store at rv place

2) buy storage building

3) con friend into storing it for a case of beer a month(you can store it at my house for that).

4) drag hoa into court and POO ON THEM with high powered dirty harry landshark legal team.$$$$$$$$

5) plead for a variance(highly doubtful)

6) start pounding no trespassing signs and start drinking beers to chill out.


HOAS(all of them) SUCK ROYAL PURPLE DONKEY DONGS!

while this was a bit tough to read...I did get through it. this is sadly very good advice and sounds like you are describing my HOA. I hate everything about an HOA. managed by idiots that think they are smart but not so much in reality.

[Gogar]

you tell 'em, chucky!!!!!!!

[onewhippedpuppy]

Give 'em hell Hugh! I quit asking permission of my HOA years ago for work I do on my property, they can kiss my ass. I've improved my home every year that I've lived there while they let my neighbor's house across the street fall apart. They are largely impotent organizations without the will or funding to legally challenge you. If they continue the harassment then shut down your land to public use, insure everyone in the neighborhood knows why, and tell the bored b!t@h that if she steps foot on your property that you'll press trespassing charges. I HATE homeowner's associations, my next house will be in the country where I don't have to worry about rude bored old people with a false sense of their own importance.

[stomachmonkey]

What is the purpose of the CC&R's?

To prevent mutually agreed undesirable behavior that negatively impacts quality of life and property values for resident members.

In this case it's to prevent an eye sore which clearly does not apply your specific situation.

I'm willing to bet if this got dragged into court or arbitration the HOA would be told to get a life and stop wasting everyone's time.