POOPYHEAD!

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Satman
The legal argument was regarding if striking the older man was assault (yes) and a felony (yes...because he was actually struck which equals battery). Simple battery is a felony if committed on a person 65 or older (protected class).
Stand your ground allows deadly force if the person reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent great bodily harm or imminent commission of a forcible felony (which includes the use or threat of physical force or violence against an individual).

I think if we are going to state that glaring at someone is not rude then having additional words for a tattletale is not "accosting".;)

No. I did not use the words interchangeably...they are events that happened sequentially.

Incidentally, how do you "deal in fact" when determining "state of mind" or "fear" of another unless you either assume based on the actions they took or what they stated they felt? Mind readers?

You seem to have a habit of thinking your opinion is fact, even without any support.
yet again, you don't seem to know the difference between what you think and what is
His son would never act like that, never.

If the shooter could turn back the clock, knowing what he knows now, I am fairly certain he would have just gone home when the guy was texting in the theater and did not stop when asked. If any of you are confused about whether or not the texter committed assault and battery on the guy before he got shot, yes, he did. If you think otherwise, you need a better understanding of what "assault and battery" means.


Oh and Shaun, it sure as heck is not the "pro gun control liberals" that are failing to place all the blame on the shooter. Where do you come up with this stuff?

I agree...it was not "accosting" until he stood and raised his voice.

You are not taking into account the differences between simple assault and battery and aggravated assault/battery.

The statute clearly delineates between the two.

"In the case of battery, from a misdemeanor of the first degree to a felony of the third degree.
(d) In the case of assault, from a misdemeanor of the second degree to a misdemeanor of the first degree."

Unless the victim had previous convictions, it is misdemeanor battery at best and one would question that because of the intent to do "violent harm". Would I (if on a jury) consider someone throwing popcorn did so in the hopes of causing violent harm??? No.

How about a head fake instead of a bag of corn puffs???? Ridiculous right? Yet, he could be just as frightened and fired according to you.. Reasonable??

However as meek as the man must be in your scenario, he actually had the gumption to confront the man firstly (we'll find out how politely), complain to management (again I'm sure it was with the kindest of dispositions) and then go have words with the dude again because he couldn't get management to act fast enough to suit him.

Couple that with the fact that he was carrying. This doesn't present an easily scared fellow to me.

I didn't catch a report that he was the first one to raise his voice... Was it merely raised, elevated or screaming when he asked if Reeves had reported him??

Did Reeves not raise his voice at all during the entire exchange?

I have at least four distinct levels to my voice without trying. Don't know when one would consider it elevated or merely pointed questioning.

Simmer down there. I never stated any of my opinions are fact. Witnesses mentioned he was very upset during the entire exchange. This is a fact and it's been confirmed. And I don't care what his son would and would act like. My question is a hypothetical. Why don't you let him answer the question (If he so wishes to)?

And yes, it's a fact that anger taints our judgment. Accept it or don't, it's true.

And it's already been established Fin is just being contrarian. I don't believe he believes what he's arguing for. Just trying to get an honest answer but it doesn't really matter.

Hopefully his pint was only drawn from the tap!

OK, that was the funniest thing I've read all month long. Well done!

Just writing that you want popcorn thrown is grounds for being shot. Any jury would back that that up. SmileWavy

Exactly where has that been "established?"

Are you referring to speeder's and shaun's passive-aggressive digs at Finny?

If so... that... is "established" in your mind?

Don't have much to add to this except that if popcorn was used to commit the crime then it would be a salt and buttery.

Tobra, a very perceptive post.

When popcorn is outlawed, only outlaws will have popcorn.

Sat man
I fail to see how reporting someone for texting or even carrying a gun would make anyone less afraid of being injured if struck/punched. Having something in your pocket make the pain go away...or create some kind of force field?

Of course it was. YOUR post is very nice passive aggressive, too. Don't confuse facts for opinions. My opinions are opinions - facts are facts. And I know the difference. Good luck defending your shooter guy. Very honorable.

Sat man
Read it again. The FL law is very clear regarding battery on anyone over 65. It is indeed a felony.

EMJ
How is it not honorable to defend the shooter based on the premise of innocent until proved guilty? In fact, why is it not honorable to argue most anything one has an opinion on?

Are you saying neither one saw the whole movie?

Him for glaring at her - she for watching him glare at her?

These people need to get a life! :eek:

My reply was to Biv, the passive aggressive, indirect guy.;)

I'm out. It's been... Interesting. Until the next one. :)

Hope she learned her lesson. Glaring is effective,

Plus in that first scenario - I believe the offending texter was told by theater management to shut her phone off.

Thus averting another shooting - in theory.

LOL.....that's an old pic of me, BTW....I'm now sporting a mohawk.... ;)

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You'll be back....:D

Passive aggressive guy? I did address you much earlier in the thread in an indirect way. I asked if you needed help making a sign for your missing goat. You seemed to be getting kinda hot and wanted to lower the temps a bit.

After reading the back and forth in this thread I am glad the participants aren't armed with popcorn and guns. The same unwillingness to back down as the guys in the theatre on display.

I wanna post that popcorn eating GIF, but I'm afraid I'll miss my mouth and get shot :D

I think I'll return when this thread hits 100 pages....

Yes, you have presented your opinion as fact. Here you present the opinions of others as fact.

He can respond, if chooses to do so
This is a correct statement of fact, good for you.
That has not been established, it is your opinion. You are, in my opinion, mistaken. Given my experience dealing with Fintstone here, I do not believe he would ever put something down that he does not believe. Maybe you are right and this is the first time.

You certainly seem to enjoy arguments, good luck with that.

(2) Whenever a person is charged with committing an assault or aggravated assault or a battery or aggravated battery upon a person 65 years of age or older, regardless of whether he or she knows or has reason to know the age of the victim, the offense for which the person is charged shall be reclassified as follows:
(a) In the case of aggravated battery, from a felony of the second degree to a felony of the first degree.

(b) In the case of aggravated assault, from a felony of the third degree to a felony of the second degree.

(c) In the case of battery, from a misdemeanor of the first degree to a felony of the third degree.

(d) In the case of assault, from a misdemeanor of the second degree to a misdemeanor of the first degree.

Act like a dick in a movie theater and you might wind up dead. Whether the shooter is right or wrong (probably wrong) a dick is a dick, and dead ends your dick-ness.

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No videos or photos of the incident have leaked yet. I'm kind of surprised.
Do they have security cameras in theatres over there? We have them here but it's supposed to be a secret. :rolleyes:

Did no one think to snap a few off?

Thanks for that. I seems like a rational response.

. If you cannot handle the awesome responsibility of instant death, you don't deserve to walk the streets.

Dont think I forgot your request...just needed a computer, not a phone

"The round also hit Oulson's wife, Nichole, in the hand as she tried to pull her husband away, authorities said."

Retired Tampa cop denied bail in movie-theater slaying - U.S. News

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Of course an elderly person should fear a physical attack. Elderly are a bit more fragile...and die every day from an assault that would be much less dangerous on a younger person.Man dies after being punched - Worcester Telegram & Gazette - telegram.com

did I mention he was persistent.

Just responding to questions that were posed earlier...when I was standing on a train using a phone. A real computer is helpful.

I see he's using the flashlight app...

That is typical for media sensationalism headlines these days, the Zimmerman case wouldn't have been noticed if it stated drug dealer attacked Hispanic resident, or a local one where they reported that a kid was shot over loud music, when in fact, 4 teens yelled & threatened the guy who felt the need to defend himself after seeing what was thought to be a gun pointed at him, and the left out the fact that the driver of those teens was a convicted felon and was actually breaking his probation at the time. The Man responded to being threatened, not loud music, and at that time, Black Male youths were randomly attacking White people:mad: After the old guy shot someone for having their phone out would you really be pulling your phone out??