FL Retired cop, shoots texting wanker

[slakjaw]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

The chair is not used. He is not even close to a crime that would call for execution. That is for first degree murder and no one thinks that is the case.

Well, I would give him the chair if I could. Dude deserves to die.

[AFC-911]

^ You seem to like the idea of killing people. I hope you seek help.

[fintstone]

And you have no witnesses that claimed she tried to catch the bullet, do you? Seriously?
I would also be interested in seeing those seats where men over 6 foot tall could not hit each other but small women could see the screen...and see bullets coming well enough in the dark to catch them...must have had windows in them.

Originally Posted by foxpaws

I don't think she was trying to catch the bullet - I think she was pushing him down and away from the muzzle of a .38 - just as reasonable as the restraint.

Again - you don't really have any source on restraint - just some speculation from the 'Daily Beast' (tell me you don't get any real information from the 'Beast').

[EMJ]

Originally Posted by AFC-911

To be fair, you were also a part of that endless argument that went round and round.

And here we still are....

[Rick Lee]

You don't pull the weapon until you feel it is necessary to shoot it.

Words to live by.

My standard is just a little higher than the letter of the law. I could go outside every day and get myself into car accidents that wouldn't legally be my fault, but would be totally avoidable. The consequences for gunplay are far more serious, so it needs to be totally unavoidable when you commit to gunplay. This was 100% avoidable.

[fintstone]

No question about that. Apparently in the heat of the moment, the old man thought it was unavoidable. Hindsight is 20/20.

[slakjaw]

Ok. Thanks for your input. It is appreciated. Dude still deserves to die.

^ You seem to like the idea of killing people. I hope you seek help.

[EMJ]

[QUOTE=fintstone;7861346 Apparently in the heat of the moment, the old man thought it was unavoidable. Hindsight is 20/20.[/QUOTE]

No, he was angry and was going to show this punk who he was messing with. He was a SWAT team guy. Popcorn flying at him wouldn't scare this guy.

[slakjaw]

But letting the prison population rape him for the rest of his life would be good enough too.

[hardflex]

Old man can't pull the gun and say 'stop right there'?

[AFC-911]

Originally Posted by slakjaw

Ok. Thanks for your input. It is appreciated. Dude still deserves to die.

There will be a trial to decide that. Not you.

[foxpaws]

Originally Posted by fintstone

And you have no witnesses that claimed she tried to catch the bullet, do you? Seriously?
I would also be interested in seeing those seats where men over 6 foot tall could not hit each other but small women could see the screen...and see bullets coming well enough in the dark to catch them...must have had windows in them.

It is stadium seating - they are stepped very steeply to be able to see over each other easily - even very, very short people can easily see over the very tallest person because of the levels - have you been to a movie in the last 20 years?

I don't believe the theater was to full dark - I believe it was still in seating lighting (not sure on that).

What witness said she was trying to catch the bullet - again - source?

[AFC-911]

Originally Posted by EMJ

And here we still are....

Just saying...It takes two to tango.


Just like the movie texter guy and the old man. The only reason it went in circles is because you both kept it going in circles.

[Rick Lee]

Old man can't pull the gun and say 'stop right there'?

He wouldn't have been justified in even pulling he gun. But, if it was truly a dark theatre where Reeves couldn't see what had hit him, then Oulsen wouldn't have been able to see the gun and thus be deterred by it.

I doubt a former cop will ever see general population in prison. He'll not get beaten or raped. But he will go away.

[ossiblue]

From the Florida Stand Your Ground Law:

(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

I'd like to see this thread stop circling itself and get away from the "coulda, shoulda, woulda" and focus on what will determine guilt or innocence of the shooter.

The law in Florda (above, emphasis mine) is what we need to focus on and if the evidence known, so far, fits into the parameters set by law. Clearly, the shooter had no requirement to relocate or move his seat. What is needed is proof he was being attacked (see my other posts which define the legal requirement for assault or Google Florida statutes) and if his claim of fear of imminent bodily harm was reasonable.

Let's drop speculation and assumptions as to what either man was thinking--we don't know. The largest missing piece is the dialogue between the two, which has not been released. That information will help determine if an actual criminal attack (assault) occurred and whether or not a jury can see if deadly force was reasonable.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by AFC-911

...The only reason it went in circles is because you both kept it going in circles.

I miss Billy Preston and this thread reminds me of PARF

"Will it go 'round in circles...."

[fintstone]

Never seen a seat that a six footer could not punch over. Are you claiming the argument went on and the man was shot through a seat and neither could see each other?

Yes...I think if you expect me to produce a witness that said the woman was restraining her husband, I expect you to produce a witness that says she was trying to block the bullet. Especially since she could likely see neither gun nor bullet through the giant sized seats you have described.

Originally Posted by foxpaws

It is stadium seating - they are stepped very steeply to be able to see over each other easily - even very, very short people can easily see over the very tallest person because of the levels - have you been to a movie in the last 20 years?

I don't believe the theater was to full dark - I believe it was still in seating lighting (not sure on that).

What witness said she was trying to catch the bullet - again - source?

[nota]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

I agree. This is definitely not a premeditated crime.

never understood the fine line in premeditation

the guy went to see a manager
was unsuccessful
and returned

how is one to truly know his thoughts
he could have thought ''well I tryed now I have to shoot the guy''
or ''if he said a peep BANG''
or ''I can be a jerk and make him do something so I can shoot him''

WHEN HE PULLED THE GUN HE INTENDED TO SHOOT
why is that not premeditated ?
he didnot have the gun in his hand and fire when the popcorn was thrown

[EMJ]

Originally Posted by AFC-911

Just saying...It takes two to tango.


Just like the movie texter guy and the old man. The only reason it went in circles is because you both kept it going in circles.

As you are now. Give it a rest.

I was an NRA and FBI-certified firearms instructor 20-plus years ago when I was a kid (early 20's). We trained with the FBI, SWAT, the military, and all types of law enforcement personnel. Hitting the bulls eye was part of the training but countless hours were always spent on when it was appropriate to use deadly force. This was beat into our heads. Believe it or not, back then, for most circumstances, it was shoot only when shot at, or when a gun was aimed at your direction in a confrontation. That's right. This is why those here defending this shooter who was a SWAT member and former police captain have absolutely no clue. No way would this guy fear for his life over popcorn or react in this manner via his training. This guy appears to have reacted in this manner because he was angry.

[fintstone]

Why do you keep misdirecting as if the man was shot because the shooter did not like popcorn. The shooter claimed he did not know what he was struck with.