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Baz 01-14-2014 04:06 PM

What if....as Tom mentions in his post could have been the case...the shooter was let go at his LE job because of anger management issues?

What if....the texter has a history of anger management issues and was under doctor's care and meds?

What if.....

We don't know everything.....

Rick Lee 01-14-2014 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Baz (Post 7856886)
What if....as Tom mentions in his post could have been the case...the shooter was let go at his LE job because of anger management issues?

What if....the texter has a history of anger management issues and was under doctor's care and meds?

What if.....

We don't know everything.....

I don't see how any of that changes anything. The texter was a doosh and the shooter is a criminal. Fate brought these two together and the texter's number was up that day. Either one of them could have prevented the situation and no one else could have.

johnsjmc 01-14-2014 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Baz (Post 7856886)
What if....as Tom mentions in his post could have been the case...the shooter was let go at his LE job because of anger management issues?

What if....the texter has a history of anger management issues and was under doctor's care and meds?

What if.....

We don't know everything.....

No I agree we don,t know everything I said I am suspicious when someone "retires" at 51 . He might have had a very good job offer or there might be something or nothing to it.
Both my wife and I separately noted the early retirement thing in the initial reports

widebody911 01-14-2014 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by johnsjmc (Post 7856914)
No I agree we don,t know everything I said I am suspicious when someone "retires" at 51 . He might have had a very good job offer or there might be something or nothing to it.
Both my wife and I separately noted the early retirement thing in the initial reports

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Baz 01-14-2014 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick Lee (Post 7856911)
I don't see how any of that changes anything. The texter was a doosh and the shooter is a criminal. Fate brought these two together and the texter's number was up that day. Either one of them could have prevented the situation and no one else could have.

It doesn't change anything .

Never said it did.

It's information that might help explain why those persons did what they did.

Other than being a doosh and a criminal.

And once again........just for good measure.......

.........I am not justifying nor condoning the shooting!


It's called FORENSICS!

SmileWavy

strupgolf 01-14-2014 04:48 PM

Oh come on now: a guy is texting and gets killed. He's dead. What in the world was this old man thinking? Texting, killing, texting, killing. I guess these days its all about shooting, not talking. Sad commentary on society.

fintstone 01-14-2014 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by johnsjmc (Post 7856814)
I am at my winter home about 15 mi from the theatre. The shooter could have changed seats since there were only about 25 people in the place. if someone,s phone bothered me that much that's what I would do. Kids text all the time and I have learned to ignore it.
The guy was reported to be texting his daughter but it makes more sense that it was her baby sitter. It,s reported here the wife was reaching out to shield her husband but it also makes more sense she was trying to pull him back.
What I find suspicious is the shooter retired from the Tampa police at 51. I wonder if he had issues ,like anger management, alcohol etc.
I think this is already playing out as a TM/GZ like case BUT in this case both parties are white,adults and there are 25 witnesses.

Most cops can retire young. He was very successful and retired as a Captain...then he had another successful career in security.

According to one article, the wife was shot in the hand because she was trying to restrain her husband (had arm around his chest).

Apparently he had stood up, physically threatening the old guy).

weseeeee 01-14-2014 05:08 PM

Here in Florida many LE retirements are 25 years = 75% of your pay for life. My city was wealthy and I got 87.5 % for 25 years:) btw I was 45 when I retired.

stealthn 01-14-2014 05:15 PM

What the F is up with you Americans and guns?! Old man shoots someone over texting, 12 year carries a shotgun into school shoots two, WTF?

We can't go a month without a major incident of someone trying to one-up the body count, or show how tough or cool they are with a gun....

I'm sorry but I so sad hearing this over and over.

I suspect this will push Obama's agenda even more.

Baz 01-14-2014 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by stealthn (Post 7857005)
What the F is up with you Americans and guns?! Old man shoots someone over texting, 12 year carries a shotgun into school shoots two, WTF?

We can't go a month without a major incident of someone trying to one-up the body count, or show how tough or cool they are with a gun....

I'm sorry but I so sad hearing this over and over.

I suspect this will push Obama's agenda even more.

Excuse me?

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Rick Lee 01-14-2014 05:22 PM

It seems a lot of folks like to think this shooting was over texting and they conveniently forget the part about the shooter first going to mgt. and then the texter initiating a physical confrontation when the shooter returned to his seat. Why do you insist this man was shot for texting when that's not what happened?

URY914 01-14-2014 05:31 PM

You folks seem to have your facts wrong already.

1. He was NOT shot for texting.
2. He was shot for the confrontation after he was asked to STOP texting.

A local radio show had a caller on the air today who said he knew the victim very well. He called him one of his best friends. He called the victim a "hot head" without being asked by the DJ. The friend said he could see a situation where this guy was not going to back down.

Surprised no one here has brought up the Stand Your Ground Law in Florida. This will be the old mans defense strategy.

widgeon13 01-14-2014 05:31 PM

Don’t pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he’ll just kill you.

Rick Lee 01-14-2014 05:34 PM

I got a knife pulled on me for telling some kids to pipe down on a bus once. The driver had told everyone to not talk on their cell phones once we left the station. There was also a sign to that effect. These punks were almost yelling into their phones. I asked them nicely first. When they ignored me, I stood up, walked over to them and raised my voice, repeated myself. Then they piped down. On the way out of the bus one of them started waving a knife behind his back at me as I was walking behind him. If I had shot the guy, would you say he was killed for talking on his cell phone too loudly?

krichard 01-14-2014 05:35 PM

pretty simple case in my opinion. Old guy started the situation that escalated to the point of him shooting the guy he was pissed at. The victim had no obligation to listen to or obey any request the old guy had. He may have voiced his displeasure with the old guy making a stink about the texting, but it was during the previews so who in the right mind cares???

Hope the old guy spends the rest of his days behind bars. He's obviously not stable and shouldn't be allowed to exist with the general public.

black_falcon 01-14-2014 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Gogar (Post 7855310)

LOL. Fat @ss bride, pulling a phone out from between her tits while the pastor is talking about the virtues of marriage.. typical modern-day America for ya.

t-tom 01-14-2014 05:45 PM

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pretty simple case in my opinion. Old guy started the situation that escalated to the point of him shooting the guy he was pissed at. The victim had no obligation to listen to or obey any request the old guy had. He may have voiced his displeasure with the old guy making a stink about the texting, but it was during the previews so who in the right mind cares??? <br>
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Hope the old guy spends the rest of his days behind bars. He's obviously not stable and shouldn't be allowed to exist with the general public.
You must have missed the part where the texting dooch hit the old man with an unknown object.

Baz 01-14-2014 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by URY914 (Post 7857039)
You folks seem to have your facts wrong already.

1. He was NOT shot for texting.
2. He was shot for the confrontation after he was asked to STOP texting.

A local radio show had a caller on the air today who said he knew the victim very well. He called him one of his best friends. He called the victim a "hot head" without being asked by the DJ. The friend said he could see a situation where this guy was not going to back down.

Surprised no one here has brought up the Stand Your Ground Law in Florida. This will be the old mans defense strategy.

Hey Paul,

On Piers Morgan tonight - a Pasco Co. Sheriff was interviewed and he made it pretty clear this was not a case where SYG could be used for a defense. Said his dept. had been working very closely with the state attorney office/prosecutor.

He seemed very adamant that the shooter, who was charged with 2nd degree murder, would be held accountable for his actions....come what may.

Baz 01-14-2014 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by krichard (Post 7857048)
---snip--- but it was during the previews so who in the right mind cares???---snip---

You forgot to add....in YOUR opinion.

Oh that's right....the world revolves around YOU!

:rolleyes:

t-tom 01-14-2014 05:56 PM

It's great that the sheriffs office is already going to the press to throw some more gas on the fire.

krichard 01-14-2014 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by t-tom (Post 7857066)
You must have missed the part where the texting dooch hit the old man with an unknown object.

Multiple witnesses have already said that there was no physical contact during the altercation. The old guy with the power trip and a side arm shouldn't have started anything to begin with. Let's say the victim threw his phone at the old guy, does that warrant a shot to the chest?

URY914 01-14-2014 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Baz (Post 7857076)
Hey Paul,

On Piers Morgan tonight - a Pasco Co. Sheriff was interviewed and he made it pretty clear this was not a case where SYG could be used for a defense. Said his dept. had been working very closely with the state attorney office/prosecutor.

He seemed very adamant that the shooter, who was charged with 2nd degree murder, would be held accountable for his actions....come what may.

Baz,

Of course that is the Sheriff/ DA side of it. The defense will be all over the SYG. What else do they have?

krichard 01-14-2014 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Baz (Post 7857094)
You forgot to add....in YOUR opinion.

Oh that's right....the world revolves around YOU!

:rolleyes:

My bad, in my opinion during the previews at a movie it is ok to talk and txt without fear of being shot. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

stealthn 01-14-2014 06:01 PM

You are right I take it all back,

We're just as bad

Rick Lee 01-14-2014 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by krichard (Post 7857098)
The old guy with the power trip and a side arm shouldn't have started anything to begin with.

What exactly did he start? Should every loud doosh get a pass because calling them out on their bad behavior might make them want to get physical?

fintstone 01-14-2014 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by URY914 (Post 7857039)
...Surprised no one here has brought up the Stand Your Ground Law in Florida. This will be the old mans defense strategy.

Post 107.

krichard 01-14-2014 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick Lee (Post 7857106)
What exactly did he start? Should every loud doosh get a pass because calling them out on their bad behavior might make them want to get physical?

Where are the witnesses saying that is got physical? How do you know he was being loud? Why give the shooter the benefit of the doubt?

Rick Lee 01-14-2014 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by krichard (Post 7857113)
Where are the witnesses saying that is got physical? How do you know he was being loud? Why give the shooter the benefit of the doubt?

Shooter clearly overreacted based on what we currently know. But it's not starting anything to ask someone to put their phone away in a movie theatre. If his key strokes made a racket or his display was shining in the old man's face behind him, whatever. Put the damned phone away when you walk in and certainly don't be an ass about it if someone asks you to do so.

My mom thought I was out of line for speaking sharply to the doosh who parked right between two gas pumps so no one could use the one he wasn't using. Those jerks need to be called out, since they obviously made it too far in life thinking the world revolves around them.

nota 01-14-2014 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by t-tom (Post 7857066)
You must have missed the part where the texting dooch hit the old man with an unknown object.

popcorn hardly a deadly weapon

Baz 01-14-2014 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by stealthn (Post 7857105)
You are right I take it all back,

We're just as bad

Not a question of who is bad and who is not.

All countries struggle with violence.

We're all in this together.

Together being the key word/concept.

Nothing positive comes from finger pointing.

But I understand it's human nature sometimes to do it.

No hard feelings neighbor.

Baz 01-14-2014 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by t-tom (Post 7857097)
It's great that the sheriffs office is already going to the press to throw some more gas on the fire.

Not surprising....the "press" is more responsible for polarizing our society than anyone else....

fintstone 01-14-2014 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by krichard (Post 7857113)
Where are the witnesses saying that is got physical? How do you know he was being loud? Why give the shooter the benefit of the doubt?

Reportedly his wife was shot/hit because she was trying to restrain him and had her arm around him. If he were not attacking the older man or at least threatening him...why would she need to do so?

krichard 01-14-2014 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick Lee (Post 7857121)
Shooter clearly overreacted based on what we currently know. But it's not starting anything to ask someone to put their phone away in a movie theatre. If his key strokes made a racket or his display was shining in the old man's face behind him, whatever. Put the damned phone away when you walk in and certainly don't be an ass about it if someone asks you to do so.

My mom thought I was out of line for speaking sharply to the doosh who parked right between two gas pumps so no one could use the one he wasn't using. Those jerks need to be called out, since they obviously made it too far in life thinking the world revolves around them.

I totally agree with you're saying. Dooshes are dooshes and they should be called out without fear of confrontation. I think there should also be some allowance for a 40 year old guy to be able to say in response "hey I was texting my baby-sitter or daughter, it's the previews bug off" and the situation not escalate from there.

Baz 01-14-2014 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by URY914 (Post 7857102)
Baz,

Of course that is the Sheriff/ DA side of it. The defense will be all over the SYG. What else do they have?

Not much.

We'll see how it plays out but I don't see how SYG can be applied here - and it seemed to be confirmed by LE and the state. That was my take away from the interview.

URY914 01-14-2014 06:22 PM

Here is some background on the shooter..........

Suspect in texting case got high evaluations as Tampa officer

fintstone 01-14-2014 06:23 PM

The LE don't really get to decide regarding SYG....unless they just want to drop charges.

krichard 01-14-2014 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 7857134)
Reportedly his wife was shot/hit because she was trying to restrain him and had her arm around him. If he were not attacking the older man or at least threatening him...why would she need to do so?

Haven't read that there were witnesses stating she was trying to restrain him. If that is true then that is something, but does that warrant a bullet in the chest?

Baz 01-14-2014 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by krichard (Post 7857103)
My bad, in my opinion during the previews at a movie it is ok to talk and txt without fear of being shot. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


I heard it was texting....then yelling at, throwing stuff at, and basically confronting the shooter. You're saying he was talking also? Not good....

Maybe he should have just apologized.

I mean he could have just said "My bad" - just like you just did.

And once more for the record...I am not justifying nor condoning the shooting.

AFC-911 01-14-2014 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by URY914 (Post 7857039)

A local radio show had a caller on the air today who said he knew the victim very well. He called him one of his best friends. He called the victim a "hot head" without being asked by the DJ. The friend said he could see a situation where this guy was not going to back down.

Why am I not surprised?


I read an article that he says he "can't believe he got shot." lol. Run your mouth enough times and you just might end up with a bullet.

t-tom 01-14-2014 06:33 PM

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Ok, so your at movie and have a problem with someone there. You've gone and asked for help but it's clear your on your own. It's dark and kinda hard to see, a confrontation starts, and a younger much larger man gets so angry his wife is grabbing him trying to hold him back. He's fighting threw her trying to get to you then you get smacked upside the head by something you can't see. Did he just tried to stab you and just missed or did he punch you? Do you defend yourself? Run and hide? You have a split second to decide in the dark. Are you being attacked? How far is this guy going to go? Does he have a gun? A knife? I was not there I do not know what happened. But I understand how it could get the point of someone getting shot.


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