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HardDrive 03-12-2014 09:17 AM
I don't see anything wrong with the photo. Some security person simply did screen grabs and pasted them on a document. Its not like they tried to photoshop them. Are you guys suggesting the Malaysian army or intelligence services couldn't photoshop a photo properly?

I understand the suspicion however. The lack of information is maddening. I don't think Malaysian officials are used to the intensity of the Western media. The various agencies don't seem to have good communications, so different officials are opening their mouths and creating a confusing story.

This thing is getting better than a Clancy novel......

pete3799 03-12-2014 09:23 AM
Oil Worker's Claim Of Burning Plane Probed: Official - NBC News

berettafan 03-12-2014 09:24 AM
how does it take this long for something like that to come out?

intakexhaust 03-12-2014 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by ossiblue (Post 7957566)
^^Indeed^^

Garbage in, garbage out. The information coming out of the Malaysian government is so contradictory and sketchy that the image of a Keystone Kops investigation is beginning to form. The "official confirmation" of the change of course and continued flight has now been refuted--by the same officials that originally made it. More than frustrating.

We can only make decisions or judgements based on information we're given and when that information is constantly being altered, any decision is suspect and, in this case, much valuable time is wasted. It is still a Malaysian military operation. Malaysia could declare it a civilian disaster and turn the investigation over to international experts, but have not done so.

If there is any good to come from this whole situation, it's that the world is now aware of the complete lack of passport security in most areas outside the U.S. and European Union. Oh yeah, and if you're a pretty blonde, you get to ride in the cockpit of a commercial airliner.
If there is any good to come from this situation....lack of passport security...lol. There's a total breakdown in air transport, involves multiple government security agencies, pilots who continue breaking rules putting others at risk and the list goes on.

And letting hottie's could be the new secret weapon for terrorist. Next time might be dropping poison in drinks or a stab to the jugular.

gordner 03-12-2014 09:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ossiblue (Post 7957566)
^^Indeed^^

Garbage in, garbage out. The information coming out of the Malaysian government is so contradictory and sketchy that the image of a Keystone Kops investigation is beginning to form. The "official confirmation" of the change of course and continued flight has now been refuted--by the same officials that originally made it. More than frustrating.

We can only make decisions or judgements based on information we're given and when that information is constantly being altered, any decision is suspect and, in this case, much valuable time is wasted. It is still a Malaysian military operation. Malaysia could declare it a civilian disaster and turn the investigation over to international experts, but have not done so.

If there is any good to come from this whole situation, it's that the world is now aware of the complete lack of passport security in most areas outside the U.S. and European Union. Oh yeah, and if you're a pretty blonde, you get to ride in the cockpit of a commercial airliner.
Why are you so sure that the US and European union are any better at passport control? Do you seriously think no one flies on fraudulent documents on western carriers?

My company recently had to assist in the deportation of a person that was flown into Canada by a western carrier who was being deported as he was not the individual he claimed to be. This happens MANY times a year in both Canada and the USA

onewhippedpuppy 03-12-2014 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by gordner (Post 7957795)
Why are you so sure that the US and European union are any better at passport control? Do you seriously think no one flies on fraudulent documents on western carriers?

My company recently had to assist in the deportation of a person that was flown into Canada by a western carrier who was being deported as he was not the individual he claimed to be. This happens MANY times a year in both Canada and the USA
An article linked earlier in this thread stated that the USA was the most frequent user of the Interpol stolen passport database.

jyl 03-12-2014 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by HardDrive (Post 7957737)
I don't see anything wrong with the photo. Some security person simply did screen grabs and pasted them on a document. Its not like they tried to photoshop them. Are you guys suggesting the Malaysian army or intelligence services couldn't photoshop a photo properly?
Right, this is simply pasting image 1, print, paste image 2, print, image 2 overlays image 1, doesn't excite anyone but news-starved conspiracy junkies.

craigster59 03-12-2014 10:22 AM
I know someone in TSA that works at Burbank/ Bob Hope. I was talking to them yesterday and they told me a guy with an ID with picture that looked nothing like him (ID was clean cut, this guy was gang banger material) tried to board a flight to Sacramento, then Oakland, then San Francisco. 3 failed attempts.

I asked if he was arrested and he said no, just wouldn't let him on the flight. WTF? The guy should have at least been detained until he was found to be no threat.

Radioactive 03-12-2014 11:14 AM
I think the flight crew took the plane, they should start checking craigslist or ebay.

kach22i 03-12-2014 11:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by HardDrive (Post 7957737)
I don't see anything wrong with the photo. Some security person simply did screen grabs and pasted them on a document. Its not like they tried to photoshop them.
I've never had this accidentally happen, have you?

Quote:
Originally Posted by HardDrive (Post 7957737)
Are you guys suggesting the Malaysian army or intelligence services couldn't photoshop a photo properly?.
Are you suggesting that Photoshop is part of their training? If so, then why?


Quote:
Originally Posted by jyl (Post 7957864)
Right, this is simply pasting image 1, print, paste image 2, print, image 2 overlays image 1, doesn't excite anyone but news-starved conspiracy junkies.
How does it get cut in half and align it's self? I missed that part.

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Originally Posted by Radioactive (Post 7957976)
I think the flight crew took the plane, they should start checking craigslist or ebay.
I'll agree with this long before you convince me that the photos released were not doctored with. I'm not saying there was a reason other than incompetence and idiocy though.


Missing Malaysia Airlines jet: Malaysia 'will never give up hope' of finding jet: minister
http://gulfnews.com/news/world/other-world/missing-malaysia-airlines-jet-malaysia-will-never-give-up-hope-of-finding-jet-minister-1.1300822
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Just 9 per cent of fatal accidents happen when a plane is at cruising altitude, according to a statistical summary of commercial jet accidents done by Boeing.
Flight MH370: 10 other mysterious aviation disasters
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26531675
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When Air France flight 447 from Rio de Janeiro to Paris went down in 2009, it was five days before any wreckage was spotted and nearly two years before its "black boxes" were found - at a depth of around 4,000m (13,000ft). None of the 228 people on board the Airbus 330 survived. French investigators found that the autopilot disconnected, probably after air speed instruments were frozen by ice crystals, and then the pilots steered the plane at too steep an angle to maintain speed - eventually stalling it - despite a warning sounding in the cockpit for nearly a minute. Air France rejected those accusations.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26503141
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/image...plane5_624.jpg

ILXLR8 03-12-2014 11:39 AM
If the legs on the picture were cut off and lined up, by accident. How does the shadow appear on the left picture? Very odd!
It may have been done to hide something/evidence that the left guy was carrying? But just show a close up and chop the legs off on both! Too strange!

MikeSid 03-12-2014 11:54 AM
There is nothing even remotely suspicious about the photographs. The alteration is obvious. The photo doctoring was not accidental. The left image was cropped, probably to remove another individual in the foreground.

The shadow is from the cell phone in the press conference. You don't see the shawdow in the image that contains the cell phone, so the shadow is not in the original. It's from a picture of the original taken at the press conference where there was a shadow from the cell phone being held up.

The doctoring was probably done out of pure stupidity to make the images the same size.

The photo alteration was done in such a sloppy fashion that no reasonable mind could attribute any nefarious intent -which I think was HardDrive's point. If this is the level of competence of the alleged conspiracy, it would be found out almost immediately - ergo there is no conspiracy. It's a nutjob red herring.

kach22i 03-12-2014 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeSid (Post 7958046)
The photo alteration was done in such a sloppy fashion that no reasonable mind could attribute any nefarious intent .........
Perhaps a false flag so that legitimate images which may appear later can be discredited?

Disinformation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Disinformation is intentionally false or inaccurate information that is spread deliberately. It is an act of deception and false statements to convince someone of untruth. Disinformation should not be confused with misinformation, information that is unintentionally false.
Disinformation, misinformation or idiocy..................it's not off to a good start either way.

Why can't something bad just happen without all the hoopla and screw ups?

Malaysia Air Flight 370: Usual Conspiracy Theories Emerge
by Majestic on March 11, 2014 in News
http://disinfo.com/2014/03/malaysia-air-flight-370-usual-conspiracy-theories-emerge/
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Is there no tragedy involving loss of human lives that certain conspiracy theorists can resist deeming a false flag attack or other nonsense? Fast Company reports on the usual suspects crawling over the story of the missing Malaysia Airlines jet:

Tobra 03-12-2014 12:34 PM
curiouser and curiouser

The more I hear, the more FOS the Malaysians appear to be.

ILXLR8 03-12-2014 12:35 PM
I am not into conspiracy theories, but like to rule out things that don't add up. Thanks for adding the cell phone shadow info!

kach22i 03-12-2014 12:36 PM
Missing Malaysia Airlines plane probe marked by confusion, misinformation
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1394652956.jpg

ossiblue 03-12-2014 12:54 PM
One thing about the oil worker's claim. If it proves to be true, it could be consistent with the last known change in course of the plane which, presumably was done by the on board computer. It's simply another piece of information that must be fully analyzed before being accepted or rejected.

stealthn 03-12-2014 01:23 PM
K I have to ask, what's the purpose of an off switch for the transponder?

kach22i 03-12-2014 01:34 PM
Transponder's fate may prove key to solving Malaysia Airlines puzzle
By Tom Watkins and Steve Almasy, CNN
updated 1:49 PM EDT, Wed March 12, 2014
Transponder's fate may prove key to solving Malaysia Airlines puzzle - CNN.com
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(CNN) -- As investigators search for clues to what happened to Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, the answer to one question may prove key: Why did the transponder in the Boeing 777-200ER stop transmitting information?

The fact that it happened at all is astonishing to John Nance, a broadcast aviation analyst and veteran pilot. "It is hard to conceive of a situation in which a triple seven would lose all ability to have its transponder on and the crew would not find some way to communicate," he told CNN.

A senior Malaysian air force official said Tuesday that the plane traveled hundreds of miles in the opposite direction from its original destination, and had stopped sending identifying transponder codes before it disappeared from radar screens.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-transponder/
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Q. Why would you turn off a transponder during a normal flight?

There could be several reasons. One reason could be when airplanes get close to each other (perhaps they are approaching an airport). Air traffic controllers may then request pilots to turn the transponders off or to standby. Also, if the transponder is sending faulty information, the pilot might want to turn it off. Planes are still visible on primary radar until they get below the radar's coverage ability.

intakexhaust 03-12-2014 01:39 PM
Can't rule anything out. I realize that's an older pic but curious if the two blondes could indicate any hint or peculiar comments discussed with the pilots. Human trafficking is a major thing in Malaysia.

Malaysia is a destination, and to a lesser extent, a source and transit country for women and children subjected to trafficking in persons, specifically conditions of forced prostitution and for men, women, and children who are in conditions of forced labor. The majority of trafficking victims are foreign workers who migrate willingly to Malaysia from Indonesia, Nepal, India, Thailand, China, the Philippines, Burma, Cambodia, Bangladesh, Pakistan, and Vietnam in search of greater economic opportunities, some of whom subsequently encounter forced labor or debt bondage at the hands of their employers, employment agents, or informal labor recruiters.

While many of Malaysia’s trafficking offenders are individual business people, large organized crime syndicates are also behind some of the trafficking of foreigners in Malaysia. A significant number of young women are recruited for work in Malaysian restaurants and hotels, some of whom migrate through the use of “Guest Relations Officer” visas, but subsequently are coerced into Malaysia’s commercial sex trade. Such women from China are nicknamed "China Dolls".[1] Many Malaysian labor outsourcing companies apparently recruited excess workers, who were then often subject to conditions of forced labor. Some Malaysian citizens are trafficked internally and abroad to Singapore, Hong Kong, France, and the United Kingdom for commercial sexual exploitation. There were approximately two million documented migrant workers in Malaysia in 2009, and an additional estimated 1.9 million who were undocumented.


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