777 down

[Chocaholic]

At this point, it's beyond reasonable that the public is being strung along. Somewhere there's a room full of people that are amazed at the gullibility of the general public. This is 2014. I find it hard to believe that the whereabouts of that plane remain unknown. The possible scenarios are numerous, but being flat out lost?....not buying it.

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

At this point, it's beyond reasonable that the public is being strung along. Somewhere there's a room full of people that are amazed at the gullibility of the general public. This is 2014. I find it hard to believe that the whereabouts of that plane remain unknown. The possible scenarios are numerous, but being flat out lost?....not buying it.

history would disagree with you.

air france was lost for 2 years.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Quote de Chocaholic

At this point, it's beyond reasonable that the public is being strung along. Somewhere there's a room full of people that are amazed at the gullibility of the general public. This is 2014. I find it hard to believe that the whereabouts of that plane remain unknown. The possible scenarios are numerous, but being flat out lost?....not buying it.

history would disagree with you.



air france was lost for 2 years.

Actually it took five days to find wreckage and bodies. It took two years to recover the black boxes because of the extreme depth where it sank.

[ossiblue]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

...I find it hard to believe that the whereabouts of that plane remain unknown. The possible scenarios are numerous, but being flat out lost?....not buying it.

Flat out lost only means we don't where to look, and I don't see why that is so hard to believe. You've answered your own question as well when you said, "the possible scenarios are numerous..."

Suppose you let your dog out every night for brief "free time" and he goes to the same general location and returns within the same amount of time, but one night he doesn't return. How would you go about finding him? You'd begin by searching his common route, his last known location, ask neighbors if they saw him, ask which direction he was headed, and when he was last seen. If that wasn't enough, you'd put up posters asking for any information. He could be anywhere, stuck in a closed garage, at a stranger's house, picked up and taken, wandering on his own miles from your home, at the pound, or, hit by a car. Numerous possible scenarios, all plausible, and all need to be checked out. You discover that your small community is, in fact, a large place. How many resources do you have and where is the best place to put them? After 17 days, with still no real evidence where to look for your dog, you conclude he could be
anywhere. He's flat out lost.

[Lusso1]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

At this point, it's beyond reasonable that the public is being strung along. Somewhere there's a room full of people that are amazed at the gullibility of the general public. This is 2014. I find it hard to believe that the whereabouts of that plane remain unknown. The possible scenarios are numerous, but being flat out lost?....not buying it.

The planet you live on must be a lot smaller than this one.

[porwolf]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Actually it took five days to find wreckage and bodies. It took two years to recover the black boxes because of the extreme depth where it sank.

The difference is that the Air France plane crashed on its regular route. It is still not absolutely clear which way MH370 went.

[afterburn 549]

Lets see, last I knew there are "listening buoys" all over the bottom of the oceans that hear everything .
Subs that can hear a seal fart.
And now they say military radar can not tell altitude and size of a object?
HA ! what a joke.
Is Owannabomma running the show?
Or just what is the cover up?
Do they just want to follow the seed to the bad fruit B4 doing anything so the whole tree can be disposed of??

[911_Dude]

Is it tin foil hat time already?

[Chocaholic]

Originally Posted by ossiblue

Flat out lost only means we don't where to look, and I don't see why that is so hard to believe. You've answered your own question as well when you said, "the possible scenarios are numerous..."

Suppose you let your dog out every night for brief "free time" and he goes to the same general location and returns within the same amount of time, but one night he doesn't return. How would you go about finding him? You'd begin by searching his common route, his last known location, ask neighbors if they saw him, ask which direction he was headed, and when he was last seen. If that wasn't enough, you'd put up posters asking for any information. He could be anywhere, stuck in a closed garage, at a stranger's house, picked up and taken, wandering on his own miles from your home, at the pound, or, hit by a car. Numerous possible scenarios, all plausible, and all need to be checked out. You discover that your small community is, in fact, a large place. How many resources do you have and where is the best place to put them? After 17 days, with still no real evidence where to look for your dog, you conclude he could be
anywhere. He's flat out lost.

Respectfully, the communication technology on that 777 is a bit more sophisticated than that on my dog. Also, the technology to track, identify and sense the presence of a mega-ton international jet-liner is also a bit more sophisticated than that used to track the whereabouts of a golden retriever. Not really a comparison.

Yes, maybe it is tinfoil hat time. Even with the technology we know about, the complete disappearance of a 777 after 2+ weeks is suspect. And then there's the technology we don't know about that makes it essentially, well, impossible. Just having a hard time believing this is "perfectly normal".

[911_Dude]

From a first world perspective, where we are connected 24/7, leaving a digital trail with almost everythoing we do, it is hard to fathom this jet being missing for so long. However, its still a big world. And when you fly over the ocean and certain countrys you are effectivly off the grid. As has been discussed over the weeks, it only takes a few switches turned to off to make a jet go silent. I think we have a hard time grasping the fact the technology does not cover the entire planet. (thank goodness)

There may be relavent satelite photos that may have captured the crash debris. But it takes a huge amount of human analysis to go over it all. Once the airplane turned off course with unknown intentions, it exponentialy complicated the possible location.

My bet is it will be missing for a few years. Then after we all forget about it, a piece will wash up on a beach someplace.

With the amount of world attention this is getting, we actualy could comb over a vast amount of satelite data with crowd sourcing-getting a couple of 100,000 folks to look at a small piece of ocean we could probably cover the entire crash area in a day. Here is one site that tries to do this. Not sure how effective they are: Tomnod

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by ossiblue

Update

CNN is reporting that Malaysian military radar recorded a "sharp left turn and a descent to 12000 feet" just as the plane reached the black out point. The new data is the descent information.

Earlier in post #787 I pointed out that the plane could have done a 180, and how/why.

I'll repost it, see below:............................................ .................................................. ......

Does the B777 have this 180 mode feature?

It sure would explain a lot if it does.


Dynon Preflight Brief: Did You Know? Dynon Autopilot 180ş Mode

Did You Know? Dynon Autopilot 180ş Mode
The 180ş mode in Dynon’s integrated autopilot system is a quick and simple way to have the autopilot reverse the aircraft’s current course if you get into trouble.


A good example of a situation in which a pilot might want to use 180ş mode is during inadvertent flight into IMC. Another example might be when some type of inflight emergency prompts the pilot to return to a known airport behind the aircraft’s current position.

In the SkyView system, the 180ş mode is available only when using the Simplified control scheme. It is engaged using Button 6, labeled 180ş, in the AUTOPILOT menu.

The Australians may have found MH370 debris in a desolate patch of the south Indian Ocean – Quartz

[jyl]

Originally Posted by 911_Dude

From a first world perspective, where we are connected 24/7, leaving a digital trail with almost everythoing we do, it is hard to fathom this jet being missing for so long. However, its still a big world. And when you fly over the ocean and certain countrys you are effectivly off the grid. As has been discussed over the weeks, it only takes a few switches turned to off to make a jet go silent. I think we have a hard time grasping the fact the technology does not cover the entire planet. (thank goodness)

There may be relavent satelite photos that may have captured the crash debris. But it takes a huge amount of human analysis to go over it all. Once the airplane turned off course with unknown intentions, it exponentialy complicated the possible location.

My bet is it will be missing for a few years. Then after we all forget about it, a piece will wash up on a beach someplace.

With the amount of world attention this is getting, we actualy could comb over a vast amount of satelite data with crowd sourcing-getting a couple of 100,000 folks to look at a small piece of ocean we could probably cover the entire crash area in a day. Here is one site that tries to do this. Not sure how effective they are: Tomnod

Remember the California family who got stuck on a mountain road in south-east Oregon, several years ago? Took a week to find them, with his cellphone to track, hundreds of searchers, helicopter and aircraft. That was a marked, paved road and the search area was maybe 50 miles square. This plane is somewhere at the bottom of the open ocean, in an incredibly remote part of the globe, searching over many thousands of miles, and whoever was commanding the plan appears to have been deliberately evading detection (or systems failure with the same effect).

[onewhippedpuppy]

Kachi, the 180 mode is interesting but probably nothing more. In a modern airplane where the FMS is connected to the autopilot, heading changes are nothing more than a twist of a knob or the selection of a different waypoint. There is no hand flying required, and very little actually done when at altitude.

[ossiblue]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

Respectfully, the communication technology on that 777 is a bit more sophisticated than that on my dog. Also, the technology to track, identify and sense the presence of a mega-ton international jet-liner is also a bit more sophisticated than that used to track the whereabouts of a golden retriever. Not really a comparison.

Yes, maybe it is tinfoil hat time. Even with the technology we know about, the complete disappearance of a 777 after 2+ weeks is suspect. And then there's the technology we don't know about that makes it essentially, well, impossible. Just having a hard time believing this is "perfectly normal".

My point of the lost dog was to illustrate the concept of "flat out lost" and the situation of numerous scenarios, not to compare the search for the plane as parallel to a lost dog.

Still, the world is a very large place and it is not all covered by technological "eyes." Regardless of the sophisticated communication on that plane, it was not working. Regardless of the sophisticated tracking and search technology, it is no good unless you know where to look.

No one I've heard on this subject, including certifiable experts in the fields of aviation, military, and search/rescue, think this is anywhere near "perfectly normal." They've all said they have never experienced anything like it in their careers.

[afterburn 549]

"they" think the crap in the Indian ocean is now the wreckage of the 777.

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by afterburn 549

"they" think the crap in the Indian ocean is now the wreckage of the 777.

That was reported locally about an hour ago.

I pray they find it so the families of the victims find some peace.

[J P Stein]

Just heard a news report that they have picked up the "pinger" of the black box.
Out in the boonies of the Indian Ocean.....a long ways from nowhere.

[berettafan]

So we might have a ghost plane flying for hours with nobody alive.....good lord that spawns some horrible scenarios.

[cashflyer]

Still gonna be a LOT of questions.

Internet says the answer to all questions is: Rothschild.

[porwolf]

Originally Posted by HardDrive

777 has an excellent safety record (when not piloted by Asiana pilots). I find it very hard to believe that mechanical failure caused it to fall from the sky. Same goes for turbulence.

The 777 is surely a safe plane when it leaves the factory. But what about the maintenance in foreign countries. Do they keep the planes as safe as the ones flewn in the US?. I understand, officially, yes. But what is the real story? No cutting corners?