777 down

[T77911S]

my money was on they would never find it, unless they have some info that has not been reported.

[stealthn]

Unbelievably poor reporting...based on satellite information.

They have heard the pings, they have not found any airplane debris, really sad.

There has been so much dis-information until the plane is found they should stop saying anything.

Don't even get me started on CNN's "breaking news" of nothing other than speculation....

[intakexhaust]

^^^Bob- Agree with you on the CNN b.s..

24/7 milking a tragedy for ratings and $$$. They even had experts in on 'black holes' and the Bermuda triangle. I'm surprised they haven't spent for a new dramatic music score to go with the fancy graphics. Loony.

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by afterburn 549

Lets see, last I knew there are "listening buoys" all over the bottom of the oceans that hear everything .
Subs that can hear a seal fart.
And now they say military radar can not tell altitude and size of a object?
HA ! what a joke.
Is Owannabomma running the show?
Or just what is the cover up?
Do they just want to follow the seed to the bad fruit B4 doing anything so the whole tree can be disposed of??

The "listening buoys" are only in important areas worth protecting.

Radar use electromagnetic radiation(light) and looks for reflections back. Radar can only accurately track altitude and size out to the horizon unless considerable energy is employed so that signal strength can remain even through the ground.

Long distance radar relies on using modulating wavelengths tuned to bounce of the ionsphere. The accuracy of such a system is greatly reduced as it is dependent on calculating the reflections the return signal followed both out bound and in bound - given the changing nature of the sky, it has difficulty being accurate as a slight exageration its like trying to see your reflection in the surface of white water rapids.

The ocean is very reflective to radar, so use of these systems over the ocean adds an extra degree of difficulty. In fact - a perfectly stealth craft from above would be plain as day over an ocean to a look down radar as it would appear as a large "hole" in the ocean's reflection.

[afterburn 549]

I guess this will be the truth if the Black Box is actually attached to the airplane......
I still am a little skeptical .

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by afterburn 549

I guess this will be the truth if the Black Box is actually attached to the airplane......
I still am a little skeptical .

If crashed into the ocean then the plane would definitely break up, but the debris field should be somewhat localized.

[afterburn 549]

i understand.........But to throw the "boxes" in the ocean..might be a sure way to stop the search ...for awhile, or even forever.

[Sunroof]

Good point................

Get a few black boxes, beat them up a bit after programming some crazy info into them, put in new batteries, toss them off a vessel............make a big show out of it, come up with some crazy story and you end it. I am sure Tom Clancey came up with this idea years ago; it just never made it into one of his suspense novels.

Crazy? You betcha. Bit until someone lifts a huge piece of wreckage with the correct markings its still anyones game.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by afterburn 549

i understand.........But to throw the "boxes" in the ocean..might be a sure way to stop the search ...for awhile, or even forever.

Not sure about the 777, but in most aircraft they are not accessible in flight. Further, I doubt there are any doors on the 777 that can be opened in flight. It's an interesting conspiracy theory though - land airplane, hide it, throw black boxes into a remote location of the ocean. It would definitely divert the search efforts.

[afterburn 549]

Yes.
That is what I am thinking.......

[onewhippedpuppy]

If nothing else, novelists and screenwriters are getting some great fodder for airplane based suspense novels and movies.

[cockerpunk]

everything on those planes is serialized, we will find a serial number long before we find the black box anyway.

[afterburn 549]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

If nothing else, novelists and screenwriters are getting some great fodder for airplane based suspense novels and movies.

I do not go see or pay for gooloish movies.
The titanic, Worst Storm, and a 100 others never make a penny on me.
Anyone can guess a 100 scenarios what goes wrong......why pay them to guess for you?
Why pay them to make money on the dead?
Seems wrong.

[cashflyer]

Why pay them to make money on the dead?

Never seen a Vietnam flick?

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

everything on those planes is serialized, we will find a serial number long before we find the black box anyway.

If someone really wanted to steal a jet this way they could. Maybe even toss a few phony serialized pieces of junk into the ocean near the point where the phony black boxes are.

Airplane serial numbers are easy to obtain. Publicly available actually.

[afterburn 549]

Just Forest Gump...
But i am a Viet Vet... sort of not dead

[cashflyer]

Airplane serial numbers are easy to obtain. Publicly available actually.

The SN of the airframe is easily obtainable. The SN of the individual parts are not so easy to obtain by John Q. Public. If they find a flap actuator, PN 20183, SN 1090507, made by Parker, then they will go to Parker and trace it to the buyer, then to the maintenance logs. If this 777's maintenance logs don't show that part ever being installed, then they have a mismatch discrepancy that must be explained. Etc.

Just Forest Gump...
But i am a Viet Vet.

Knew you were. Surprised that you have never watched The Deer Hunter, The Great Santini, Apocalypse Now, Air America, Full Metal Jacket, Platoon, etc.

[afterburn 549]

I understand the parts pedigree.
All i am saying.......is there parts to a plane attached to the box?
Never had a interest in those movies.
However I LUV Forest Gump.
Its a humorous, sad ,funny, luv story with parts of viet nam included .
A well made movie..
As for the rest of them........I kind of do not to see it again.

[Crowbob]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

If nothing else, novelists and screenwriters are getting some great fodder for airplane based suspense novels and movies.

Too late:

Aussie Flight Disaster Film 'Deep Water' Shelved Over Eerie Resemblance to Missing Malaysia Flight - The Hollywood Reporter

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

If someone really wanted to steal a jet this way they could. Maybe even toss a few phony serialized pieces of junk into the ocean near the point where the phony black boxes are.

Airplane serial numbers are easy to obtain. Publicly available actually.

im not talking about aircraft serial numbers.

you don't put together a wide-body airliner, all with one serial number on every seat, every electrical assembly, every engine part ...