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gordner 03-27-2014 10:16 AM

The pilot "if it aint Boeing I aint going" saying is due to the differences in design philosophy of Airbus and Boeing. Boeing puts their faith in the pilot and therefor does not limit his interaction with the control of the aircraft, Airbus puts their faith in the computers. An airbus will actually limit a pilots ability to control an aircraft to remain within the aircrafts design parameters. So if a pilot on a Boeing has an issue (perhaps air to air collision imminent) he could stand the thing on the wing tip to avoid it, the Airbus would limit the bank angle to remain within the normal operational envelope to avoid stressing the airframe.
Pilot's want Boeing because they are in control. To the guy in the back, the safety records are highly comparable and as such, who really cares....

gordner 03-27-2014 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MBAtarga (Post 7983780)
Why would the pilot take a heading into nowhere? Wouldn't he circle over populated areas as to prevent a shootdown - but increase his negotiating strength to turn the plane into a projectile?

That is a very good point, they would not knock down a jet over a poplated center.

allaircooled 03-27-2014 10:23 AM

My ship has pulled into Diego Garcia. We were allowed to walk on the base to buy stuff at the store. Never knew or heard it was some top secret base similar to area 51.

ossiblue 03-27-2014 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by cashflyer (Post 7983336)
I live at a runway, so I may as well go ahead and throw this info out there:
MH370 did NOT land here at Oakhill. I swear. Go ahead and mark us off the list of participants.

Are you sure? Has anyone inspected the hangar of your "wonderful" neighbor? Maybe it's time for an anonymous call to the FBI.;)

cashflyer 03-27-2014 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by allaircooled (Post 7983799)
My ship has pulled into Diego Garcia. We were allowed to walk on the base to buy stuff at the store. Never knew or heard it was some top secret base similar to area 51.

That proves they were doing a great job of keeping it secret!



ossiblue nailed it.
All we had to do was ask Google's real time satellite imagery system.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1395946135.jpg

daepp 03-27-2014 12:13 PM

I would think, at least for when he may have been negotiating, he would want to be where no one else was. No SAM's, no visual id's. Then after an hour or two, no deal, Allah Ahkbar, hello salt water.

cockerpunk 03-27-2014 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by daepp (Post 7984001)
I would think, at least for when he may have been negotiating, he would want to be where no one else was. No SAM's, no visual id's. Then after an hour or two, no deal, Allah Ahkbar, hello salt water.

he would be in no danger with 200+ hostages.

kach22i 03-27-2014 12:28 PM

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kach22i 03-27-2014 12:36 PM

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French satellite images from March 23 have spotted 122 objects floating in a 155-square-mile area

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The objects are believed to be solid and range from one metre to 23 metres (three to 75 feet) long.

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john70t 03-27-2014 12:57 PM

I'm thinking the pilot wanted Malaysian political opposition leaders released from oppressive prison.
Else, he'd fly Chinese civilians into a US air base.
No deal.
US Navy Air intercepted over the ocean and made it go 'poof'.

Whatever it is, nobody wants to talk about it.

J P Stein 03-27-2014 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by john70t (Post 7984107)
I'm thinking the pilot wanted Malaysian political opposition leaders released from oppressive prison.
Else, he'd fly Chinese civilians into a US air base.
No deal.
US Navy Air intercepted over the ocean and made it go 'poof'.

Whatever it is, nobody wants to talk about it.

Sure, let's talk about it.......

The Navy shot it down, eh?
That's cause one of them phoney passport Iranians had a suitcase nuke aboard the plane. He wanted to go to NYC, but the pilot told him to eff off....or just turned left rather than right....a turn to the left is always a bad idea. The obamanation is safe till the next election.

GH85Carrera 03-27-2014 01:25 PM

OH come on.
Why would we blow it up out in the middle of nowhere just where it would run out of fuel.

john70t 03-27-2014 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by john70t (Post 7984107)
Whatever it is, nobody wants to talk about it.

...

JJ 911SC 03-27-2014 03:06 PM

Quite a few Navy knew where the Red/Orange boxes were pinging from but would not say anything...

porwolf 03-27-2014 04:50 PM

What about the black/orange boxes? Has their technology been upgraded recently? Seems like they work like 40 yeras ago: Weak signals and only 30 day battery life time. Is that the latest stand of technology?

allaircooled 03-27-2014 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cashflyer (Post 7983959)
That proves they were doing a great job of keeping it secret!

Good point!

stuartj 03-27-2014 05:53 PM

There really is some wild speculation in this thread. The fact is that nothing, other than speculation, has emerged pointing to a motive on behalf of the pilot(s) to crash this flight. There is nothing to suggest that the Malaysian govt and its agencies is anything other than mystified and arguably incompetent. The facts seem to suggest the plane went dark, radically altered course and descended, then flew on into the most remote corner of the planet and crashed. Heard only by omnipresent US submarines.

The pilots are being trashed- Ive spoken to a couple who work on 777s, and while they don't completely discount human intervention, the more plausible explanation is a cargo or cockpit fire and depressurization. But both a mystified by the lack of a distress call.

I keep thinking of that 727(?) over Greece or Cyprus that flew on, two F16s flying beside it, with every one on board dead, until it just aungered in. In this case, its happened in a corner of the world where it just may never be found.

porwolf 03-27-2014 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by stuartj (Post 7984620)
There really is some wild speculation in this thread. The fact is that nothing, other than speculation, has emerged pointing to a motive on behalf of the pilot(s) to crash this flight. There is nothing to suggest that the Malaysian govt and its agencies is anything other than mystified and arguably incompetent. The facts seem to suggest the plane went dark, radically altered course and descended, then flew on into the most remote corner of the planet and crashed. Heard only by omnipresent US submarines.

The pilots are being trashed- Ive spoken to a couple who work on 777s, and while they don't completely discount human intervention, the more plausible explanation is a cargo or cockpit fire and depressurization. But both a mystified by the lack of a distress call.

I keep thinking of that 727(?) over Greece or Cyprus that flew on, two F16s flying beside it, with every one on board dead, until it just aungered in. In this case, its happened in a corner of the world where it just may never be found.

That seems to be all we do know at this time. Will MH370 ever be found? I think very possibly given time. I was amazed when they finally located the Air France Airbus in the Atlantic and recovered the "black boxes". But that was 2 years after the crash.

Baz 03-27-2014 06:03 PM

Can someone again please tell me how the pilot could kill all aboard except himself by simply climbing to an altitude of X feet?

Is it even possible?

If not - how could he kill off everyone else just by flying the plane (meaning not via gun, etc.)

Thanks!

cashflyer 03-27-2014 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Baz (Post 7984647)
Can someone again please tell me how the pilot could kill all aboard except himself by simply climbing to an altitude of X feet?
Is it even possible?
If not - how could he kill off everyone else just by flying the plane (meaning not via gun, etc.)

Pilots have an independent O2 supply that last longer than the O2 generators in the pax compartment - plus, the pilots can disable the O2 deployment in the pax compartment. So, pilot goes onto O2, disables pax O2, climbs until the cabin outflow valves rupture, cabin depressurizes, people die within seconds/minutes, pilot then descends to a safe altitude and flies along his merry way.


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