Ferguson Verdict

[speeder]

Originally Posted by nynor

with this, it is you that seems ignorant: the past history has nothing to do with the evidence of the MB shooting and whether or not the shooting was justified.

i've read the record, as presented by the media, about the treatment of black folks in ferguson. if one tenth of it is true, it is a shameful record. however, that is a separate issue that should be investigated.

No, I disagree. The record of brutality and excessive force by that PD absolutely colors the perception of fairness or lack of same by the city attorney in how he conducted the GJ process, ie. In way to protect the cop. And it explains a lot of the anger by citizens. We'll have to agree to disagree on this.

[Baz]

The teaching moment here for the black community is for parents to teach their kids to OBEY LAW ENFORCEMENT - unless what they are asking is immoral or dangerous.

If they tell you to get on the ground face down - you get on the ground face down.

If they tell you to show your hands - you show your hands.

If they tell you to get out of the road - you get out of the road.

And if you are really smart......while doing the above - you say "Yes sir!" or "Yes maam!"

While there are plenty of instances of abuse by law enforcement every day - the way to combat it is not in the street - it is in the court.

The problem with this case is this kid chose the wrong venue.

As far as the legal aspect of the Grand Jury - I am satisfied they exhausted every effort to do this by the numbers despite what you read or hear in the media. Remember the media's job is to stir the pot. As is the politicians. They are NOT your friend. They are in it for the money. I watched the interview by GS of Officer Wilson and am very satisfied he was truthful with his answers and statements.

As always YMMV...

[speeder]

Originally Posted by Law_of_groove

If this is really how you are, you need help! I know some people act differently on the internet so maybe you are normal in real life. yes, anger is diagnosable. Your posts make me think you are going to the top of a clock tower with a rifle.

Seek help guy.

Does my anger scare you, little muffin? A kid is dead, maybe he deserved it, maybe not. We'll probably never know now. Some things are worth getting worked up over, it's not a sign of mental illness. By your definition, the founders of this country all belonged in a loony bin. How much better it would have been if they acted like a bunch of passive twats with pocket protectors.

[livi]

My view, as far as I can understand the ´merican system, is some sort of combination of Baz and Speeders statements. Probably doesn´t make sense though..

[BeyGon]

A group, a Jury, the people picked way before this happened saw and heard ALL the evidence from both sides. Of course speeder and the rest of the leftists don't agree, it's what they do, it doesn't fit with what they want.
Of course police make mistakes, sometimes are too quick to judge, but in this case, this guy, according to many witnesses, and the facts, was justified in the shooting.

get over it. you and obaama/holder are wrong again.

[Law_of_groove]

The founding fathers were angry and they did something about it. That's the thing with anger. Either you need to accept it and move on or do something to change whatever it is that you feel is unfair or wrong. This is what healthy people do.

Calling people cock suckers D-Bags, used female cycle recipticals, twats...And on and on is not normal or healthy.

So I will say it again. Get help.

GJ felt no need to persue this. So that's it. Time to move on. Make changes to make the future a better place. What you are doing here is the Internet version of burning down somebody's business. Because gosh darn it you are mad and you want the world to know!

Quote de Law_of_groove

If this is really how you are, you need help! I know some people act differently on the internet so maybe you are normal in real life. yes, anger is diagnosable. Your posts make me think you are going to the top of a clock tower with a rifle.



Seek help guy.

Does my anger scare you, little muffin? A kid is dead, maybe he deserved it, maybe not. We'll probably never know now. Some things are worth getting worked up over, it's not a sign of mental illness. By your definition, the founders of this country all belonged in a loony bin. How much better it would have been if they acted like a bunch of passive twats with pocket protectors.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by Law_of_groove

The founding fathers were angry and they did something about it. That's the thing with anger. Either you need to accept it and move on or do something to change whatever it is that you feel is unfair or wrong. This is what healthy people do.

Calling people cock suckers D-Bags, used female cycle recipticals, twats...And on and on is not normal or healthy.

So I will say it again. Get help.

GJ felt no need to persue this. So that's it. Time to move on. Make changes to make the future a better place. What you are doing here is the Internet version of burning down somebody's business. Because gosh darn it you are mad and you want the world to know!

I can't promise you that I'll get the help you want but I'll apologize for the personal attacks. I was wrong, period, and I am sorry. I'll try to do better in the future.

[livi]

Good one, Denis.

[nynor]

Originally Posted by speeder

Does my anger scare you, little muffin? A kid is dead, maybe he deserved it, maybe not. We'll probably never know now. Some things are worth getting worked up over, it's not a sign of mental illness. By your definition, the founders of this country all belonged in a loony bin. How much better it would have been if they acted like a bunch of passive twats with pocket protectors.

see, i don't think he deserved to be killed. however, i think his actions created a situation where him getting killed was much more likely than if he hadn't strong-arm robbed a convenience store and then continued to behave like a thug.

[flyenby]

He got just what he deserved ...they still have not unsealed his juvenile criminal record. Lets see how you feel when someone doesn't agree with a court decision, and burns your property down.

[nynor]

Originally Posted by flyenby

He got just what he deserved ...they still have not unsealed his juvenile criminal record. Lets see how you feel when someone doesn't agree with a court decision, and burns your property down.

um.... okay....

[javadog]

You can argue this forever. The DA knew he wouldn't get a trial conviction. Other DA's have gone on record stating that it's an abuse of the system to finagle an indictment for a case you know you can't win. It's a waste of time and money for all concerned.

If he had not given all of the evidence, people would be *****ing and moaning about what he was hiding. It may be unusual to do what he did in his jurisdiction but it isn't unheard of and it fact it is routine in other areas. I think the "normal" process of a grand jury is completely biased in favor of the prosecution, so I find it amusing that adjusting the bias to be more neutral is so offensive to so many people Do you have an agenda, perhaps?

All the arguments about the fact that he was un-armed are irrelevant. You think nobody of his size could create great bodily harm or death, with nothing to use as a weapon?

I'd like to see a poll of a hundred policemen, asking how many of them would not shoot a 300 pound, angry young man running towards them, after having been struck repeatedly by that same angry young man and after having had him try to take the officer's gun away. I would be real surprised if any policeman would have held his fire.

This kid didn't deserve to die but his own actions doomed him. Given what little I've seen of his behavior, I think it was only a matter of time. Sooner or later, his mouth and his defective reasoning would have sealed his fate.

My only wish is that his death might serve as an example to others in his peer group, as to why you should not act as he did. I'll bet none of them get the lesson.

JR

[BeyGon]

Very good.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by javadog

All the arguments about the fact that he was un-armed are irrelevant. You think nobody of his size could create great bodily harm or death, with nothing to use as a weapon?

I'd like to see a poll of a hundred policemen, asking how many of them would not shoot a 300 pound, angry young man running towards them, after having been struck repeatedly by that same angry young man and after having had him try to take the officer's gun away. I would be real surprised if any policeman would have held his fire.

This kid didn't deserve to die but his own actions doomed him. Given what little I've seen of his behavior, I think it was only a matter of time. Sooner or later, his mouth and his defective reasoning would have sealed his fate.

My only wish is that his death might serve as an example to others in his peer group, as to why you should not act as he did. I'll bet none of them get the lesson.

JR

If this is exactly what happened, you are correct and it was a good shooting. The problem is that no one has challenged the cop's version and now no one will, at least until the civil trial and possibly a federal CR trial. This PD has a horrendous record wrt excessive force and violating the CR of its citizens. The cop's injuries do not in any way agree with his assertion of what happened. I'd expect a bloody nose or a shiner if even a tough 12 year old slugged him as hard as he says he was getting pounded. His story needs to be seriously confirmed. It ain't gonna happen now. He could be lying through his teeth. He has every reason in the world to distort the truth.

[javadog]

The forensic evidence backs up what he says. Hard to dispute that, since forensic evidence does not have it's own agenda.

The record of his department has zero bearing on this case. None.

The photos of his injuries were taken shortly after he aquired them. I'd bet he looked worse, two days later. I know when I had surgery, the day of the surgery I looked fine. Two days later it looked like that part of my body had died, it was so black. Nonetheless, the law does not allow for someone to get away with an assault, because the injuries "weren't too bad".

If you would like to test this theory, I could hook you up with a friend of mine, Leroy. He's as big as Michael Brown and I'd be happy to let you decide when enough was enough.

If you don't think Wilson wasn't thoroughly questioned months before he even got to the grand jury, you have no idea of what happens in a case like this. You don't think the locals, or the feds, had a little extra incentive to do their jobs properly, what with all of the attention this case got? It hasn't been my experience that people slack off on their jobs, when the entire country is looking at them. I bet Wilson had saddle sores for a while.

Perhaps you are just sorry that you didn't get to see him questioned on TV. Not relevant.

JR

[speeder]

No, I think it might have been a good shooting. It's possible. But I'm not convinced at all based on the process so far. And BTW, the forensic evidence supports that he shot him at close range face-to-face. That's not in dispute. It's the rest of the story.

[Les Paul]

Speeder I'm 99% sure you do need help. You are an angry little man.

[Hydrocket]

Even if the man didn't punch him, he was halfway INSIDE a police vehicle struggling to allegedly grab the officer's weapon. If doesn't matter if you're white, black, latino or asian. Things are likely to end poorly if you try that with a peace officer.

Stats shows that ~1/6 peace officers die at the hands of service issued weapons. It's a very serious thing to have an unarmed person grab at their weapon.

[speeder]

Speeder I'm 99% sure you do need help. You are an angry little man.

Well, I'm not little and I'm not angry. Other than that, you're a pretty sharp guy. What is your motivation in taking a cowardly, anonymous internet shot at me? Just bored and alone on Thankgiving? Feeling bitter? Maybe we can help you?

[silverwhaletail]

A lot of displaced anger here.

Big Mike was dead the split second that he decided to push the policed car door shut and stick his hands inside that police car. Somehow (handgun didn't cycle properly) he wasn't killed right there at the car.

Big Mike's second fatal mistake was stopping and then moving toward the officer after the officer exited the vehicle. If Big Mike continues to run, and gets away, Big Mike lives. If Big Mike stops, and gets down on the ground, other officers arrive, handcuff Big Mike, and Big Mike lives.

But back to the displaced anger...

If you want to be upset about police shootings, the shooting of Big Mike is not the one to be upset about. The shooting of the 12 year old in Cleveland was almost certainly preventable, and on many different levels... The totality of the circumstances in that incident seem to have been almost completely avoidable. You have to wonder how that confrontation would have gone down if the police had stopped the car a couple hundred feet away and walked up on the little boy...

Really really sad and heartbreaking for everyone involved, but especially for the immediate family of the child. Terrible Terrible incident and outcome.