NFL playoffs

[sammyg2]

Manning is still playing as well as he ever did considering he had a strained quad muscle for the last month and he should not retire. Yet.

Luck played one of the best games by a QB I've seen in a long time.
He is truly impressive and will eventually take his spot among the best QBs ever to play the game Right next to Brady, Peyton, and discount double-check*



*as soon as he wins a couple of MVPs and a superbowl or two.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by 1990C4S

Bryant says he took three steps and reached for the goal line. It's a difficult call.

He clearly takes three steps.

But were they intentional or were they a by product of his forward momentum?

I think the refs viewed it as the later, the three steps were part of his going down hence no move common to the game.

One could argue that falling is a move common to the game but I think the intent is to say a move that advances the ball.

[sammyg2]

I'm gonna hate myseff fer saying this out loud, but I watched that replay over and over a bunch O-times.

I kinda think Dez "the mouth" caught that ball and the coboys got hosed.
ain't no changing it now.

[jamesnmlaw]

like, continuing forward momentum (2 or 3 steps) towards the end zone?
like, stretching out towards the goal line?

perhaps he should have stopped running, confirmed the catch with the ref in the sky and then continued the run towards the end zone

running full stop, jump, catch, 2 or 3 steps, has control, dives for the end zone, has his hand under the ball (or the ground cannot cause a fumble?) Cows ball on the 1 yd line

however, tough titty, Mr. Kitty, the game is over

perhaps a nice run for 3 yds would have been better
perhaps a nice 5 yd'er to Witten
perhaps, perhaps, perhaps

Coach said it all:

Cowboys coach Jason Garrett would not pin the loss on the overturned call, but he disagreed with Steratore's ruling.

"I thought Tony (Romo) made a great throw, Dez made a great catch on the ball," Garrett said. "Obviously it was ruled a catch at the outset. It looked like to me he had three feet down. What they describe to us all the time is 'a move common to the game,' and Dez reached out for the goal line like he's done so many times. It's a signature play for him. He maintained possession of it throughout, in my opinion.

"But let me make it really clear: This game wasn't about the officiating. We had 60 minutes. We had an opportunity to come up here and win a football game, and at the end of the day we didn't get that job done. That play was big in the game, but there were other plays in the game and unfortunately we didn't do the things necessary to win the ballgame."

too many freakin' rules
take the pain

[flipper35]

"But let me make it really clear: This game wasn't about the officiating. We had 60 minutes. We had an opportunity to come up here and win a football game, and at the end of the day we didn't get that job done. That play was big in the game, but there were other plays in the game and unfortunately we didn't do the things necessary to win the ballgame."

This is correct. A single play does not make or break the game. It can change the momentum, but how many other drives did not end is a score? It takes 4 quarters to lose a game.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

He clearly takes three steps.

But were they intentional or were they a by product of his forward momentum?

Right, were they steps or stumbles? And did he have possession of the ball? He was juggling the ball until his feet came off the ground. The only time he seemed to have control of the ball was when he was in the air, and when he landed he lost the ball. When I first saw it I thought for sure it was a catch, but given the explanations of the officials and rewatching it half a dozen times, I don't think so.

[Baz]

Food for thought regarding the controversial reversal......

As Byrant was coming down he took his right hand/arm off the ball to brace himself as he was going to hit the ground.

Watch the Dez Bryant catch that wasn’t a catch in Cowboys-Packers game - The Washington Post

If he holds onto the ball with BOTH hands....it's a completion.

You can't blame him for wanted to help cushion his fall...but let's not call it a "football move"!

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by Baz

Food for thought regarding the controversial reversal......

As Byrant was coming down he took his right hand/arm off the ball to brace himself as he was going to hit the ground.

Watch the Dez Bryant catch that wasn’t a catch in Cowboys-Packers game - The Washington Post

If he holds onto the ball with BOTH hands....it's a completion.

You can't blame him for wanted to help cushion his fall...but let's not call it a "football move"!

Watching that I reverse myself.

He did not take three steps.

As soon as his right foot touches the ground he gets tangled up with and is tripped by the defender then falls down.

If you watch the defender it looks like he intentionally hooked Dez's leg.

[madmmac]

Cue the Jaws music.

Rodgers with a bad leg better be ready to hit quick slants and pop one down the field now and then or he may be having a long day.

The Hawks are peaking at the right time on both sides of the ball. They try to take away what you do best and force you into what you don't. They lead the NFL in explosive plays.

They play close to the vest in the first half and then adjust from there.

It will be fun.

[Baz]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

Watching that I reverse myself.

He did not take three steps.

As soon as his right foot touches the ground he gets tangled up with and is tripped by the defender then falls down.

If you watch the defender it looks like he intentionally hooked Dez's leg.

I think you're right about the leg hooking move...wow....didn't see that before!

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by Baz

I think you're right about the leg hooking move...wow....didn't see that before!

The looping helped and you can click that vine any time to start stop it in on frame

Watching it some more you can see Shields appears to even look back at the leg for a split second right as he hooks Dez.

Heads up play.

He got away with one.

[Baz]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

The looping helped and you can click that vine any time to start stop it in on frame

Watching it some more you can see Shields appears to even look back at the leg for a split second right as he hooks Dez.

Heads up play.

He got away with one.

Yeah I saw him looking back when I posted before. He's aware of Bryant catching the ball and is doing the only thing he can at that point! No wonder he's a DB!

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by Baz

Yeah I saw him looking back when I posted before. He's aware of Bryant catching the ball and is doing the only thing he can at that point! No wonder he's a DB!

So now my question is, was that picked up on the review and not mentioned because it was not what was being challenged?

And did the Cowboys have any time outs left and if so could they have challenged the incomplete pass call claiming pass interference?

Without the trip that would have been a TD.

[Baz]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

So now my question is, was that picked up on the review and not mentioned because it was not what was being challenged?

And did the Cowboys have any time outs left and if so could they have challenged the incomplete pass call claiming pass interference?

Without the trip that would have been a TD.

Not sure if the refs were even looking at the trip and also not sure if that was a foul, given both parties were in the process of going to the ground when it happened.

I know an argument could be made that the trip caused DB to fall down but in reality.....

[1990C4S]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

if so could they have challenged the incomplete pass call claiming pass interference?

You can't challenge the outcome of a challenge can you? And you can't challenge pass interference, right? So if Cowboys threw a challenge flag after a decision I believe they are charged a time-out.

[1990C4S]

Originally Posted by flipper35

"But let me make it really clear: This game wasn't about the officiating. We had 60 minutes. We had an opportunity to come up here and win a football game, and at the end of the day we didn't get that job done. That play was big in the game, but there were other plays in the game and unfortunately we didn't do the things necessary to win the ballgame."

This is correct. A single play does not make or break the game. It can change the momentum, but how many other drives did not end is a score? It takes 4 quarters to lose a game.

I disagree. Completely. Games are about making big plays. You do not have the luxury of having big plays taken away from you in a close game. In the first quarter, sure that is less injurious to your chances than a bad call in the fourth quarter, but on your last possession a bad call can reverse the outcome.

[Eric 951]

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by 1990C4S

You can't challenge the outcome of a challenge can you? And you can't challenge pass interference, right? So if Cowboys threw a challenge flag after a decision I believe they are charged a time-out.

I'm not sure that you can challenge the outcome of a review.

Certainly if something like pass interference were called then reversed you can't challenge that but I vaguely recall a few years back that a game I was watching did have a challenge to a reviewed call. Whether or not that was the result of a booth review or the opposing teams challenge I don't remember and the way the rules change and get massaged every year it may have once been possible but no longer.

In this situation it was ruled a completed catch which GB challenged. It was ruled incomplete but the video does look like tripping occurred on the part of the defender so my question is, if they had the timeout available, could Dallas have challenged the ruling of an incomplete pass?

I don't think so but it would have been interesting.

Tripping would have given them a 1st and 10 to keep the drive alive.

[J P Stein]

Golly, just like real life and not some kid's game
Sometimes you eat the bear & sometimes the bear eats you.
The bear ate the Lions last week, the Cowboys this time.

Next?

[BE911SC]