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oh my - we'll see what the stewards say about that one...

flatbutt · 10-25-2015, 12:54 AM

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oh my - we'll see what the stewards say about that one...

This could be huge. The move of Rossis leg looked defensive to me but...did he slow?

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He was totally out of the throttle, and looked back 3x. I don't see how they can let that go without a significant penalty.

He didn't do himself any favors by running his mouth earlier in the week.

sand_man · 10-25-2015, 01:09 AM

WOW! Have we entered the NASCAR years? I did not like that, at all. Hated all of the press "drama", leading up to this race.

sand_man · 10-25-2015, 01:21 AM

And what was up with that hand wave from Rossi to Marc? Was it a "come on let's go" or was it a warning to "back off"?

javadog · 10-25-2015, 05:45 AM

Woke up this morning to find that my DVR failed to record the race. ****ing piece of ****.

Gotta wait until Wednesday to watch it now.

JR

flatbutt · 10-25-2015, 06:37 AM

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And what was up with that hand wave from Rossi to Marc? Was it a "come on let's go" or was it a warning to "back off"?

It often means "lets work together"...in this case who knows.

flatbutt · 06:45 AM

The three penalty points has Rossi starting from the back in Valencia...thats it, the championship goes to Lorenzo.

What was Race Direction’s decision and view on the incident?
“The decision is that Race Direction has imposed three penalty points on Valentino Rossi for irresponsible riding, that is, deliberately causing contact. Deliberately running wide in a corner in order to try and force another rider off line. The result was a crash and so it’s irresponsible riding causing a crash and for that we have imposed three penalty points on Rossi.

"It looked like we were going to have a great race, but unfortunately it ended in an incident that’s controversial. I have to say that the Movistar Yamaha team have appealed against Race Direction’s decision, so now that appeal will be heard by FIM stewards.”

What were the views that the riders expressed to race direction?
“I can give you a general feeling rather than a quote from our hearing, because obviously it a closed door hearing. Marc explained that he was riding his normal race waiting for the tyres to feel good and going fast when he could and slowing down when he had to.

"Valentino was of the opinion that Marc was deliberately slowing the pace of the race down and doing so unfairly. We listened to both riders; our opinion was that there was some fault on both sides, but as far as the rulebook goes Marquez did not make any contact, did not break any rules as such, but we feel that his behaviour was causing problems to Rossi who reacted. Unfortunately he reacted in a way that is against the rules.”

Movistar Yamaha are now appealing, what are the next steps if the appeal is accepted or rejected?
“The FIM stewards here at the race will hear the appeal. There is a time limit of 30 minutes to lodge an appeal, that’s been done. The appeal is underway and they will hear it as soon as possible within the next 30 minutes.

"If Yamaha are not happy with the steward’s decision, they have five days to lodge an appeal with the FIM International Disciplinary Court. So they have five days and then the FIM lawyers get involved to have another hearing.”

flatbutt · 10-25-2015, 06:49 AM

From Rossi

Rossi shares his views on the dramatic incident between him & Marquez at the Malaysian GP.
Movistar Yamaha’s Valentino Rossi addressed the world’s media after meeting with Race Direction to explain his views on the clash with Marc Marquez during the Shell Malaysia Motorcycle Grand Prix:

Marc Marquez said you took your leg off and kicked him, was it a case of red mist?
“No Marquez knows that is not true, because it is very clear from the image, especially from the helicopter that I don’t want to make him crash. I just want to make him lose time and go out of the line and slow down because also this time, a lot worse than in Australia, he make his dirty game no? When I go wide, wide, wide, I slow down, we almost stop and I look at him to say, “F**K, what the f**k are you doing?”

After we touch and he touched with his handlebar on the right on my leg, and I lose the foot from the foot peg, but if you look at the image from the helicopter it is clear that when I lose the foot from the footrest Marquez had already crashed. So I don’t want to kick him. Also if you give a kick to a MotoGP™ bike, it don’t crash. It is not that you kick the bike; it is very heavy, like this, and he crash. But unfortunately we touched; he wanted to turn because I go very wide and I fell his handlebar on my leg her, on my thigh and I lose the leg on the foot peg. It is like this.”

What is your opinion on the sanction you have been handed?
“For me is not fair, also because like this, Marquez win his fight! His program is okay because he made me lose the championship. Especially for me the sanction is not good because I don’t want to make him crash purposefully, I just reacted to his behaviour. I didn’t kick him and I didn’t want to make him crash.

But you know, you don’t say nothing in the press Conference, maybe change something. But for me this is unfair; as I just want to fight for the championship with Jorge and the better man win. Like this it doesn’t happen.”

Is there anything that you regret?
“I don’t know, I don’t want to make him crash, but I had to try to do something. At that moment Jorge was already gone, but I’ve said everything.”

Do you think the Championship is over?
“It is not over, but this sanction cut my leg and make Marquez win.”

sand_man · 10-25-2015, 07:07 AM

If there's a bright side to this race, it has to be Pedrosa's flawless performance from Pole to Finish! Well done!

Anyone else think that Rossi's body language (or lack there of) at the finish resembled a dog with its tail between its legs? The kid who broke a vase and now must face the parents' music!

flatbutt · 10-25-2015, 07:13 AM

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If there's a bright side to this race, it has to be Pedrosa's flawless performance from Pole to Finish! Well done!

Anyone else think that Rossi's body language (or lack there of) at the finish resembled a dog with its tail between its legs? The kid who broke a vase and now must face the parents' music!

Oh yeah, absolutely. Even his crew had that "Oh shee-it Dads gonna be pizzed" look. I'm very disappointed in Rossi. And starting from the back virtually ends his championship. I wonder if the Doctor is feeling his age and is freaking out a bit?

flatbutt · 10-25-2015, 07:50 AM

From Marquez

Can you explain what happened with Valentino Rossi?
“Yeah of course you know for me it is easy to explain what happened because on the TV you can see clear. You can see in the video from many points, the helicopter, from in front. I was inside and of course we were overtaking for some laps but I felt I was able to be faster and to catch the front guys. But yeah, on that corner, corner 14, Valentino passed me. I heard the bike then I pick it up, but then I saw that he was completely straight and looking at me and stopping a lot. I was just waiting because there was nothing to do in that point and then I saw that with his leg he pushed my arm and my front brake and then I lock the front wheel and I crash.

Luckily I am good, in good physical condition, this is the most important but you know during my career I have many moments you know, I mean many battles and everything, but never have I felt this. That another rider give me a big push and push me out with the leg. But in the end, my result in the race was zero points. This was of course not my target, my target was to finish these two races on the podium, but it is like this.”

javadog · 10-25-2015, 07:55 AM

Given the stakes, I wouldn't be surprised if Yamaha appeals this to the FIM.

JR

deanp · 10-25-2015, 08:06 AM

IF MM slowed at PI and Malaysia to get in Rossi's head, then he's really out Rossi-ing Rossi with head games .. and it worked. Rossi got so frustrated that in his own words (paraphrasing) '...I don’t want to make him crash, but I had to try to do something.' So... will we see the Rossi of old make a charge through the field at Valencia? Or is he mentally defeated? The title gap is still only 7pts.

sand_man · 08:12 AM

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...I'm very disappointed in Rossi...

It sounds stupid, I know, but on race weekends, I wear a Rossi/Yamaha #46 ball cap, even if I'm sitting up in bed fighting to stay awake to watch a race (TMI). I felt embarrassed wearing it this time, in support of him.

I know there are two sides and somewhere in between there's the truth, but starting with his sh_tty comments about Marc hindering his championship ride in favor of Jorge, to the on-track antics, it all seemed very unsportsman-like to me. And perhaps the press drama was a tactic to get in Marc's head, but he needed to ride his own damn race once the green lights flashed.

There could be some truth that Marc was f_cking with him during the Sepang race, but in the end Rossi looked the aggressor. And maybe in this race, Rossi, brought it on himself with his prior press comments; self-fulfilling prophecy! There just seemed to be a lot passive/aggressive BS going on.

Meanwhile, Jorge is having a grand chuckle!

sand_man · 10-25-2015, 08:12 AM

Imagine if that move, put them BOTH out!!!! LOL!

motion · 10-25-2015, 08:12 AM

MM is a dirty little $hit. VR is a badass. This has been festering since Argentina. If I were in charge, I'd fire MM right now. He's robbed HRC, the team, the sport and the worldwide audience of a fair championship fight.

sand_man · 10-25-2015, 08:21 AM

Is there a concept of supporting fellow countrymen? Spaniard supporting Spaniard...Italian supporting Italian? Even if from a different team. "If I can't win, then I'll help my fellow Spainiard win?" Or are the rivals too bitter for that?

motion · 10-25-2015, 08:25 AM

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Is there a concept of supporting fellow countrymen? Spaniard supporting Spaniard...Italian supporting Italian? Even if from a different team. "If I can't win, then I'll help my fellow Spainiard win?" Or are the rivals too bitter for that?

The Spaniards and Italians all hate each other. But, there's more to it than that. You have to go back to Argentina and Assen to understand how things got to this point.

javadog · 10-25-2015, 08:36 AM

This is nothing new. MM is out of the championship hunt, is pissed at Rossi, and Jorge is a fellow Spaniard. Don't forget, the last race is in Spain.

There is a definite Spanish bias to GP racing. Spain has a pretty effective feeder series and there are so many Spanish riders, Spanish races... Dorna is run by a Spaniard...

I think MM has been screwing with Rossi for a while, and he ought to know that won't end well for him. Rossi has the most experience, the most cunning... he knows how to play the game.

Time will tell, but I don't think Rossi meant to knock MM off his bike. **** with him? Certainly. Hitting the brake lever was probably just a fluke. Better quality video replays would probably support Rossi's version.

I expect Rossi will be pretty aggressive at the last race, presuming he doesn't win an appeal. It's not over yet. If he can catch up with Lorenzo, he can win the title, regardless of where Jorge finishes. Lots of guys in the back of the field will let Rossi right by, the rest he'll catch on skill and determination. To be certain of taking the title, Jorge has to win the race and hope the other Spaniards finish behind him. Asking Dani or MM to give up a win in Spain... yeah, good luck.

JR