Ford F-150 is getting a diesel?!

[vash]

Wait. Did we all know this?

This could be great! I can’t wait to see one!

[vash]

Oh snap! GM is putting one in the Silverado!

Somebody pinch me!

[pavulon]

Originally Posted by vash

Oh snap! GM is putting one in the Silverado!

Somebody pinch me!

The most interesting part of this to me is that it will supposedly be an in-line 6. This seems to buck the trend of V6 cylinder arrangements and although I’m not very likely to own one of these pickups, it makes me smile a bit.

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by vash

Wait. Did we all know this?

This could be great! I can’t wait to see one!

Yep!

4x2 = 30mpg, 4x4 = 25 mpg

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/2018-ford-f-150-diesel-full-details-news

https://jalopnik.com/why-the-2018-ford-f-150-diesel-2wd-gets-30-mpg-and-the-1825384321

[Nickshu]

Hasn't Dodge/Ram quit selling their Ecodiesel?

Sent from my Galaxy S9 using Tapatalk

[onewhippedpuppy]

Nice! I would maybe consider upgrading at some point for a diesel. Though my modified 2013 Ecoboost should be well over 500 lb-ft of torque and is a fantastic tow rig.

[pavulon]

Originally Posted by Nickshu

Hasn't Dodge/Ram quit selling their Ecodiesel?

Sent from my Galaxy S9 using Tapatalk

The www indicates this is inaccurate.

[LWJ]

Diesel SUV = good.

Will they make it?

[Nickshu]

Originally Posted by pavulon

The www indicates this is inaccurate.

Looks like it. Last year I was looking at ordering an EcoDiesel Grand Cherokee and the dealer told me that FCA had halted orders on them until they got some problems worked out with the engine. Appears they are back on sale.

[craigster59]

Has anyone driven the Nissan Titan with the Cummins diesel? I'm not a big Nissan fan but they look pretty stout.

[Instrument 41]

The extra cost in buying diesel 1/2 ton far out ways the fuel cost savings. Cool? yes, smart purchase? no.

[vash]

Originally Posted by Instrument 41

The extra cost in buying diesel 1/2 ton far out ways the fuel cost savings. Cool? yes, smart purchase? no.

Add there is that guy!

True. I bet it’s a $60k half ton. But friggen cool.

[vash]

Originally Posted by peteremsley

Awesome. That's a truck I could like!

edit - I could also get behind a Tacoma diesel (or whatever its called) like you can get in just about every country but the US...

Damn. a USA diesel hilux would just about make me crap myself. May as well let in the cool Land Rover defender to finish me off.

[rrental]

Originally Posted by Instrument 41

The extra cost in buying diesel 1/2 ton far out ways the fuel cost savings. Cool? yes, smart purchase? no.

Not true, at least in Canada. I owned a Dodge Ram Ecodiesel and I kept track of exact fuel mileage, depreciation, DEF and maintenance costs.

The ecodiesel was just shy of $4000 more than the gas version. But, when I sold it the truck was sold very fast, and brought me about $2000 more than what I would get for a gas truck.

After I sold the diesel (private truck) I bought a new GMC V8 for the shop. With the 4 cylinder cut off and such. Again, we are keeping a close eye on fuel millage so we have comparable data.

At the time I was towing my race trailer (about 5000 lbs) and this is where the diesel shines. About half the mileage compared to the GMC, and it even beat the F350 we had in a long shot. I make the same trip to the track many times a year (600 km round trip) with and without a trailer. This also gives a very good idea about fuel consumption.

Here's some real life data from our trips to the track (from the pump and odometer, I don't trust the fuel economy meter in the truck. In mpg

Dodge Ecodiesel 2018 : 31 and 23 (tow)
GMC 1500 2018: 21 and 8.5 (tow)
Ford F350 2007 : 19 and 10 (tow)
BMW 328d 2014: 41
Mercedes GLK 2014: 39.7

Funny this is that my 45 ft Prevost Mhome with a 550 hp DD60 uses less fuel than the GMC with a trailer. go figure...

[rrental]

Originally Posted by craigster59

Has anyone driven the Nissan Titan with the Cummins diesel? I'm not a big Nissan fan but they look pretty stout.

I drove it when it just came out. This truck doesn't makes any sense to me. It is a very stiff ride like a full ton, and heavy It's got a V8 diesel killing the fuel mileage advantage, but without the big payloads/tow capacity of a full ton.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by Instrument 41

The extra cost in buying diesel 1/2 ton far out ways the fuel cost savings. Cool? yes, smart purchase? no.

Depends on several things, including how much of a cost the diesel option is. They make it quite a bit more expensive on the HD PU trucks, mostly to cover the cost of the whole Diesel engine program and partly because they can, I guess.

We’ve had these discussions before regarding 3/4 and 1-ton trucks, people making the claim about diesel trucks not penciling out always leave out depreciation which is usually the single biggest cost of owning a truck, (if bought new). The difference in depreciation becomes even more pronounced on higher mileage vehicles, check eBay for used Ford F-250s w 6.7 diesels sometime. Check 3 y.o. trucks w 100k miles. They make Toyota Tacomas look like depreciating junkers.

If the diesel trucks got exactly the same fuel mileage as the gasoline version, they’d still be cheaper to own because of the huge difference in depreciation. And of course, they get up to 50% better mileage while towing and have massive torque. This calculation does not account for the larger initial outlay or cost of $$, etc. But you get the point.

[Seahawk]

Trucks are such a personal thing. I love it.

I grew up on a small ranch in California and then a horse property in South Carolina: We never had a truck bigger than a 1/2 ton and drove all over California going to Three Day Events towing a two spot horse trailer for at least a decade: Grape Vine, Route 1, Sierras, etc.

We then towed four horses across country in two trailers with a Ford Country Squire station wagon and a Ford F100.

When I bought the farm here in Maryland in 1995 I had an 1991 SR5 four cylinder 4x4 Toyota. For the first four years here I moved an amazing amount of stuff with that truck and a nice 5x8 trailer. Local runs, go slow, make multiple runs.

I really didn't see a need for a bigger truck, even with nearly 70 acres. My Dad wanted my '91 in 2000 so I bought another Toyota, a Tacoma TRD with the bigger 4 cylinder to replace it.

Same trailer, same result.

It wasn't until 2004, when we went over to the dark side, horses, that I needed a bigger truck to tow a horse trailer. I really looked hard at 3/4 ton diesels, ran the numbers and went 1/2 ton Ford.

I kept the Tacoma, now my son's, and it is still humping right along. So is the '91, btw: I got it back from my Dad and gave it to a friend of mines son...Navy pilot who still drives it.

Funny how new capability occasions ancillary stuff: Sold the 5x8 and bought a new 18 foot utility trailer...a 5 ton dump trailer soon followed the Ford home. I still have the trailers but sold the Ford in 2015 after eleven years and 188K, at least 30k towing.

Looked at 3/4 tons again and just simply could not make the leap. I opted for a Tundra based entirely on price: neighbors best friends with the local dealer, etc.

Again, my trucks work and tow. I am amazed at the amount of 3/4 ton trucks on the road which are never used to the capability they were built for...there is a percentage of people who need them, it simply isn't that high a percentage of those who drive them.

That said, a diesel 1/2 ton makes me smile. We'll see when the Tundra quits

[onewhippedpuppy]

Everybody thinks that you need a monster 3/4 ton diesel to tow anything larger than a 4x8 utility trailer. When we bought our new boat, I had a number of "you're going to tow that with your F150" questions. My F150 is stock rated to tow 11,500 lbs, and I've made a number of upgrades beyond stock. It tows my estimated 8,000 lb worth of boat and trailer without any issues, our trip home was through the hilly Ozark Mountains of central MO at 70 MPH and it never skipped a beat.

[hcoles]

I'd be concerned with engine repair costs with a diesel. I know some people have very good luck and go 100's of K miles without an issue. However, there are many stories of very expensive engine repairs of light duty trucks with diesel engines. I have a friend that had a late model Chevy diesel and ended up putting $12k in repairs into it and then sold it. Do these new diesel models come with a long engine warranty (e.g. 5 years or 100k miles)?

[hcoles]

fuel rail runs at 29,000 psi - might not take much for something to go wrong there.....