ADA irony

[island911]

Reeling in the ADA insanity is good, but it is still insanity. I mean massive resources put toward systems that may never be used... all to make bleeding heart social justice warriors feel good about 'helping.'

Oh well, as long as someone else is paying for it...

Why is it that, as a society, we have such little compassion for the producers that make life so comfortable? :-/ Forcing obtuse standards as if businesses don't want to accommodate their customers already. Should Boeing be forced to build everyone of their passenger planes to accommodate 500_lb bed-bound blobs? --they are people too! will be the battle cry of the bleeding heart social justice warriors.

There is no end to the eccentric drive of the ADA.

[M.D. Holloway]

The world is tough enough on those that are blind, adding a little extra something to help them isn't a waste of money. And just so you know, I know a blind person who has entered more gun shops then the majority of the folks here to look or shop with her son. Just saying.

You can tell a lot by a society on how it treats those who are old or disabled. Same said for a person.

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by dad911

I've had to install handicap bathrooms, 2nd floor renovation in a small 100yr old office building, no elevator, so no way to get upstairs.

Also HC parking & bathrooms in a tennis center, again, stairs so no access.

People make a career out of starting legal actions for businesses not in compliance. Seen a few good mom&pops close because of it.

However, the biggest flaw in the ADA is how it allows the shakedown of non-compliant businesses, which has become a cottage industry in and of itself. Set up a process for ADA violation remedy the same as a fire code or other building code issues, and not a lottery for lawyers with wheelchairs.

I have a friend who owns a high pressure hose manufacturing company, labor intensive, and have to operate equipment to build custom hoses. One day, a lady comes in with her daughter in a wheel chair, ask if she could fill out a job application (they weren't advertising looking for employees or new hires at the time either) he said sure, let her fill out the application. Then she asked if she could use the bathroom and that is when the crap started, ada nazis came in, cost him a butt load of $$$, even though there is no public restroom, as it is a manufacturing biz, not open to walking in off the street. Turned out, that fat ***** in the wheel chair & her mamma make their living pulling that trick, or using her race as a reason for being denied an application for a job she couldn't physically and had no intention of doing. I have seen pools closed as smaller hotels because they didn't want to or couldn't spend the $$$ to add the BS lift. Life isn't fair, no reason to punish the rest because you drew a short straw, suck it up butter cup. I am not a fan of the over reaching ada nazis & their operatives..

[island911]

Originally Posted by M.D. Holloway

The world is tough enough on those that are blind, adding a little extra something to help them isn't a waste of money. ....

But why stop there. Why not have every business staff a full time employee to do nothing but wait, at the ready, for any disabled person that comes along. You know, because the world is tough enough on those that are blind.

Point is, when a bureaucracy is involved, things get out of balance. And in this case businesses --which pay taxes and offer services to the community-- get stuck with the bill.

Where the hell are their tax dollars going? Why not have each blind person assigned a govt paid servant? I mean, I don't know if you know this, but the world is tough enough on those that are blind.

So the central Q is, why are businesses on the hook to provide for those with tough lives, but not the govt?

[rusnak]

Originally Posted by M.D. Holloway

You can tell a lot by a society on how it treats those who are old or disabled. Same said for a person.

You can say that in glossy moral sounding language, but when you apply that to the real world, things get messy. For example, the raised bumps in the OP. Wheelchair people hate them. Elderly with walkers hate them. Even normal people hate them. And some blind people hate them.

Trip hazard, that's why. But it's important to DO SOMETHING right?

[stomachmonkey]

If throughout history humankind had addressed the needs of the "not perfect" there'd be no advocacy groups or need for things like ADA.

Anyone who see's no need for it displays the mentality that required it to exist.

As far as Life Is Not Fair, bull****, life is as fair as we CHOOSE to make it.

Choose not to make it fair, get stuck with **** you don't like.

Suck it up buttercup.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by rusnak

You can say that in glossy moral sounding language, but when you apply that to the real world, things get messy. For example, the raised bumps in the OP. Wheelchair people hate them. Elderly with walkers hate them. Even normal people hate them. And some blind people hate them.

Trip hazard, that's why. But it's important to DO SOMETHING right?

You are aware his wife is blind?

Ain't no glossy moral sounding language there.

It's his reality.

He gets to live it every day.

[rusnak]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

You are aware his wife is blind?

Ain't no glossy moral sounding language there.

It's his reality.

He gets to live it every day.

What does that change? Are you aware that I have a friend who's constrained to a wheelchair?

I think you've taken a mental vacation in this thread.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by rusnak

What does that change? Are you aware that I have a friend who's constrained to a wheelchair?

I think you've taken a mental vacation in this thread.

You called him out for not dealing with the real world.

That is his real world.

Now what?

[rusnak]

^ You're a funny dude. Are you crying right now?

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by rusnak

^ You're a funny dude. Are you crying right now?

Why would I do that?

I really don't get it.

Why make anyones life more difficult if you don't have to.

It's an odd choice I can't relate to.

Basic common decency.

Today is fathers day.

I was raised by a father and stepfather who were worlds apart but the one thing they saw eye to eye on was respect.

Treat others the way you want to be treated.

As far as undo burdens on businesses to comply.

Sure, I see the point, but like I said before, if you want to do business with the public, there is a cost.

Again, if people were decent to each other of their own free will, then they would not have to be forced to be.

Opposing accommodation for those less privileged is no different from walking up to them and telling them to go **** themselves.

[island911]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

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Again, if people were decent to each other of their own free will, then they would not have to be forced to be.

Opposing accommodation for those less privileged is no different from walking up to them and telling them to go **** themselves.

Oh puh-leezz...

rusnak made a perfectly valid argument and your counter is nothing but ad hominem. --noice

The ADA FORCING businesses to install turtles is a perfect example of people NOT being decent to each other. Govt dominating tax-payers/employers. But, in your mind, that's ok. Because you see it as the ADA FORCING a business to be decent to it's customers. --let's all pretend now that businesses need the ADA to force them to be customer centric.

[island911]

Oh, and this you say... Opposing accommodation for those less privileged is no different from walking up to them and telling them to go **** themselves.

Seriously?

First of all "accommodation" ? Some ADA bureaucratic designer circle-jerk decides what constitutes " accommodation" and then forces that "accommodation" on to every business regardless of need, or over-all handicap utility...

Questioning the bureaucratic design decision is hardly the same as walking up to handicapped people and telling them to go **** themselves.