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Vipergrün 01-24-2018 07:36 PM

Shameless plug for my sons invention on Kickstarter!
 
I am proud beyond words of the (why didn't I think of that) product my son and his wife are bringing to market. They smashed their Kickstarter goal.

He brought it from concept to market, and has learned a ton about business.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/666339959/moki-doorstep?ref=nav_search&result=project&term=moki

"Step up your next adventure......"

look 171 01-24-2018 07:51 PM

Too good a secret to be out on the net to allow others to steel their idea.

I like it a lot because I am not 6'5" tall. I buy it in a heart beat if I had to load my kayak on my car's roof.

KevinP73 01-24-2018 07:58 PM

Awesome idea !! I hope he does well with it.

Evans, Marv 01-24-2018 08:03 PM

That's awesome! Plus he reached 16+ times his goal for start up money. Somebody out there believes in it.

RSBob 01-24-2018 08:08 PM

Good for trucks with pipe racks, ladder trucks owned by AT&T and other telecoms. Lots of applications other than sports. Sell a bunch online through social media, sports authority, etc then after a couple of successful years of sales, take it to Shark Tank.

porsche4life 01-24-2018 08:21 PM

Ha! I saw that on Facebook the other day and sent it to my dad. He’s a shorter guy that used to have ladder racks on tall trucks. I was like dude, there was a time you would have used this all the time!

Very cool idea, I wish them well!

livi 01-24-2018 09:50 PM

Excellent!

aigel 01-24-2018 10:41 PM

Very nice. I hope he can make some money before he gets run over by bootlegged copies from Asia. I also hope he doesn't produce in Asia for this reason.

Is there no rubber on the surface(s) hitting the paint? That'd be a show stopper for me on anything but a total beater car.

Keep us posted on the progress. Really slick product!

G

Holger 01-24-2018 11:32 PM

Nice! Congrats!

Quote:

Originally Posted by aigel (Post 9899592)
Is there no rubber on the surface(s) hitting the paint? That'd be a show stopper for me on anything but a total beater car.

^this!

And are those door-"hings" made for such a load?

RKDinOKC 01-24-2018 11:42 PM

The way to beat the knock offs is the knock it off yourself when you first sell it.

KFC911 01-25-2018 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holger (Post 9899600)
Nice! Congrats!


^this!

And are those door-"hings" made for such a load?

First thing I thought of too. But a simply awesome idea....kudos to them...best of luck!

Holger 01-25-2018 02:49 AM

Ah, now I read it: Protective Moki Doorstep magnet That is placed where the lower parts leans against the paint?
Quote:

This thick magnet acts as a buffer and protection between your vehicle and the Moki Doorstep.
And:
Quote:

The striker must be able to withstand 2500 pounds of force.

Crowbob 01-25-2018 02:56 AM

A very similar device has been around a long time. For persons with orthopedic problems such as hip surgery, back pain, etc. the device has a padded handle instead of a step on which you put your hand to brace yourself for entering/exiting a vehicle:

https://www.amazon.com/Stander-HandyBar-Automotive-Standing-Emergency/dp/B000GUKKMW

KFC911 01-25-2018 03:03 AM

I stiil question putting 200# of weight on the step....just doesn't seem like that door catch is designed for that type of downward force....I dunno? For a person of smaller stature, weighing half that....awesome.

911_Dude 01-25-2018 04:58 AM

Good idea. Like it. Wonder how much it will go for? I assume its a piece of cast metal of some type.

Holger 01-25-2018 05:37 AM

Aluminium

svandamme 01-25-2018 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 9899640)
I stiil question putting 200# of weight on the step....just doesn't seem like that door catch is designed for that type of downward force....I dunno? For a person of smaller stature, weighing half that....awesome.

it's not downwards force.. there is a fulcrum where the lower end presses against the door jam
So the hook pulls away from that door catch, not down.

I'de be more worried aboutit pulling the door catch out from the door jamb, or denting the spot where the fulcrum is.

stomachmonkey 01-25-2018 07:46 AM

I like it.

Clean, simple.

I also cringe just a bit at the arrangement.

It's taking a safety measure and using it in a manner it was not intended to be used.

While my gut tells me it's fine I also feel there are some potentially serious liability issues that could come into play.

Tell him not to skimp on his liability insurance.

petrolhead611 01-25-2018 09:06 AM

If you buckle a B post its not an easy fix.

Vipergrün 01-25-2018 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aigel (Post 9899592)
Very nice. I hope he can make some money before he gets run over by bootlegged copies from Asia. I also hope he doesn't produce in Asia for this reason.

Is there no rubber on the surface(s) hitting the paint? That'd be a show stopper for me on anything but a total beater car.

Keep us posted on the progress. Really slick product!

G

They include a thick removable magnet pad to protect the paint...

Tobra 01-25-2018 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holger (Post 9899600)

And are those door-"hings" made for such a load?

They are designed to keep the door shut in a crash, must be pretty stout.

I always just stand on top of the tire, have seen a rig that hangs on the tire to give you a step too.

vash 01-25-2018 09:59 AM

super slick!! love it.

(i wonder) what happens if you absent mindedly slam the door on it hanging there? that point is pretty burly i suspect, as Tobra points out.

KFC911 01-25-2018 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by svandamme (Post 9899835)
it's not downwards force.. there is a fulcrum where the lower end presses against the door jam
So the hook pulls away from that door catch, not down.

I'de be more worried aboutit pulling the door catch out from the door jamb, or denting the spot where the fulcrum is.

Yer right....I said downward force, but you are correct in what I meant....

KFC911 01-25-2018 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vash (Post 9900159)
super slick!! love it.

(i wonder) what happens if you absent mindedly slam the door on it hanging there? that point is pretty burly i suspect, as Tobra points out.

IF = WHEN

Maroonproof....just a concept

To the OP...ignore us naysayers.....this is PPOT....it's what we do ;)

Vipergrün 01-25-2018 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 9900325)
IF = WHEN

Maroonproof....just a concept

To the OP...ignore us naysayers.....this is PPOT....it's what we do ;)

LOL wouldn't be PPOT without it.

vash 01-25-2018 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vipergrün (Post 9900393)
LOL wouldn't be PPOT without it.

i think it is a GREAT idea. i'm a munchkin..and could use the boost.

cstreit 01-25-2018 08:52 PM

Thats a very specific and clever product. Good luck to him. Proud dad!

911boost 01-25-2018 09:02 PM

Are they making them yet? I know a few folks I would buy one for......

Holger 01-26-2018 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vash (Post 9900159)
super slick!! love it.

(i wonder) what happens if you absent mindedly slam the door on it hanging there? that point is pretty burly i suspect, as Tobra points out.

Maybe they should be painted in pink or orange?
It would be easier to see it before (or during :D ) slamming the door.

plexiform 01-26-2018 01:24 AM

Great Idea! You should be proud. Hope it does well. Just pledged for two of them. Will give one away and keep one for my truck.

Laneco 01-26-2018 04:10 AM

OMG! Just pledged for four of them!

I will reach ALL THE ROOF RACKS! VICTORY SHALL ME MINE! http://forums.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/wat3.gif

angela

Porchdog 01-26-2018 04:30 AM

I think that is a great idea and I'm getting some for myself. Even at 6'-1", Ladder racks and bike/canoe racks on pickups and SUV's can be a struggle. Easy enough to stand on the back tire, but often the cab is the issue, and I don't like to stand on the seat.

tevake 01-26-2018 06:56 AM

Cool idea, should do well at sports shops.
Nice to see your kids doing well like this.

Cheers Richard

Oracle 01-26-2018 07:07 AM

great idea!

Vipergrün 01-26-2018 07:22 AM

Thank you all for the kind words and your support!

Yes they are making them and expecting the first batch soon. Needless to say this has far exceeded their expectations, but they are planning on making the dates targeted on Kickstarter.

I may fly back and help pack boxes :--)

motion 01-26-2018 07:23 AM

Awesome idea!!!!

I would worry about a 300lb dude jumping on that thing, though. The latch is attached to the jamb by a couple of small bolts. Have they done a load test on various vehicles to find the deformation/failure weight? As someone else said, make sure he has good insurance.

Charles Freeborn 01-26-2018 08:10 AM

Great idea. Might even get one after I ask around on whether it'll damage the car (Outback).

aigel 01-26-2018 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by motion (Post 9901454)
Awesome idea!!!!

I would worry about a 300lb dude jumping on that thing, though. The latch is attached to the jamb by a couple of small bolts. Have they done a load test on various vehicles to find the deformation/failure weight? As someone else said, make sure he has good insurance.

Like others mentioned, that latch is what keeps your door closed in a crash. It is very beefy. It takes a LOT of force to take out a bolt:

Metric Bolt Grades and Strength Calculator

G

Charles Freeborn 01-26-2018 07:13 PM

My only concern would be that the loads are directed in a way that the pillar and latch are not designed to handle. That said, yes, that part of the car is very robust for other safety reasons. Still, a very clever idea. I load lumber and sheet goods onto the roof of my Outback a lot, as I'm in the woodworking biz, so I do see real value in this product.

Vipergrün 01-27-2018 09:22 AM

Thank you all for the feedback!

I'll try to track down a document, from the NHTSA, which outlines the strength and testing requirements for that area of the car. The striker bolt has to support 2500lbs of force.

The device is meant to be used in taller vehicles where the device can hang without interference from the wheel well, or other protrusion. It will come with warning labels, etc

Common sense - caveat emptor


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