A $4M barn find...

[Otter74]

As a car to drive, I'd rather have a really nice replica Cobra, too (make mine a slabside 289). But as for the Ferrari, well, the last time I drove up to Road America to watch vintage racing I was dirving down a country road in central WI near the track when a 275 GTB passed me going the other way. So there's at least somebody who's not concerned about its value enough to stop driving it!

Originally Posted by flipper35

As a Cobra guy and old Ferrari guy it would be exciting to find, but I prefer to drive a replica so if I crash it there is no big loss. Kirkham makes a very good replica for the Cobra. Not much out there for the Ferrari. I would hate to own a car I could not drive.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by porsche356a

Ok, so which one-- the Cobra or the Ferrari?

You can take the million dollar cobra, I'll take the $3 million Ferrari.

1966 Ferrari 275GTB Alloy Long Nose Price: $3,175,000
Location: Emeryville, California, 94608
Stock #: FJ2057
Mileage: 19749
Exterior: Grigio Argento Metallizzato
Interior: Black Leather

Seller’s Description:
1966 Ferrari 275 GTB Long Nose Alloy
s/n 08117 Engine no. 08117 (internal number 992/64)
Grigio Argento Metallizzato with Black Leather

Unquestionably the Ferrari 275 GTB remains among the finest and most desirable sports cars in the world. Over a period of two years Ferrari built just 453 examples of the original 275 GTB before introducing the revised GTB/4 at the Paris Auto Salon in October 1966. But it is the aluminum long nose that has continually captured the imagination of enthusiasts and collectors for decades since its original release. Known for their phenomenal performance the 275 GTB featured the 3 285 cc type 213 SOHC V-12 engine capable of 300bhp at 7 600rpms. The GTB was not only a performance icon of racing it became one of the most sought after road cars during their short production run.

Ferrari historian Dyke Ridgley whose authoritative 275 GTB production list was recently published by Cavallino magazine states that Carrozzeria Scaglietti built only 205 examples with the desirable long-nose body style introduced approximately halfway through 275 GTB production. The updated design was characterized by a revised front-end treatment (increasing the length and surface area for improved aerodynamics) larger rear glass and external trunk hinges. Although the majority of these rare long nose cars were constructed in steel 80 cars were hand formed using lightweight aluminum coachwork. Not only are these beautiful alloy-bodied 275 GTBs more rare than their steel-bodied counterparts they represent the pinnacle of classic dual-purpose berlinettas constructed during this amazing period of Ferrari and motorsports history.

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/ferrari/275gtb/1918519.html

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by porsche356a

Ok, so which one-- the Cobra or the Ferrari?

It would be far easier to get a good Cobra inspired hot rod and have fun. I'd enjoy a replica more than the real thing.

So for me, the choice would definitely be the Ferrari. The Ferrari is also one of the few front engine with rear gear box designs. Which would be a good match my C5 ' Vette, and 944's. It really makes for a sweet handling car, easy to put power down, easy to corner, good braking.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

I'm doing some calipers and hardware for a 275 GTB now.

I rebuilt the front calipers on a 1968 Datsun 2000 Roadster about six years ago.

They were Dunlops. Not as busy as the 275 wrt to hardware but it was a stout set up.

Must have been the go-to kit at the time.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

You can take the million dollar cobra, I'll take the $3 million Ferrari.

Friend of my Dad's friend had a 1967 275 GTB/4 NART coupe. Silver. 9k miles. I have told this story several times here. He was set on fire by a GT40 and I think his big coin came from Ford via settlement.

Aluminum bodywork. Right fender was slightly imperfect from the weight of the dry sump hanging off it's insides.

I got to sit in it and start it at 24 YO while the guy pretended to adjust the carbs for a life altering memory for me.

Anyhoo - in the way back (79?), he sold it and bought a Daytona Coupe for investment purposes.

Jeebus.

[rcooled]

An alloy 275 GTB undergoing restoration (not the one in the video)

[javadog]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

They were Dunlops. Not as busy as the 275 wrt to hardware but it was a stout set up.

Must have been the go-to kit at the time.

Dunlop, along with Girling, were the early pioneers in providing disc brakes to cars that you could actually buy. They didn't invent the technology but they made it work and made it available.

I have a friend that collected sports and racing cars for a long time. At one point he had two 275 Ferraris and two Cobras, along with loads of other interesting cars. Ended up selling all of them and moving into Corvettes, hot rods and other American crap.

[rcooled]

Originally Posted by javadog

Dunlop, along with Girling, were the early pioneers in providing disc brakes to cars that you could actually buy.

This braking system was patented in 1902 for use on British Lanchester autos, although it was proved to be impractical due to rapid wear. The first practical application of disc brake technology came about for airplanes and tanks just before and during WWII. They were first used in motor racing in 1951 when a set of Girling disc brakes was developed for a BRM F1 car.

[javadog]

That sounds like you researched a Wikipedia page...

My old Lamborghini had some brake components on it that were made by Girling. What a pain in the ass it was to find parts for that car...

[Jeff Alton]

I'll take the F car...

[Bill Douglas]

Originally Posted by Jeff Alton

I'll take the F car...

Me too, I'd take the 'rrari

[tabs]

Originally Posted by petrolhead611

Surprising what people have stashed away.

Isn't it though!

[tabs]

The 275 gtb has it all.

[Jeff Alton]

Originally Posted by Bill Douglas

Me too, I'd take the 'rrari

And I would send the calipers to Shaun for refinishing. Seeing as he has already done a set...

[Don Ro]

Informative video...especially about the Cobra - serial #'s, and 427 vs 428 motor and what Ford made Shelby do.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by javadog

That sounds like you researched a Wikipedia page...

My old Lamborghini had some brake components on it that were made by Girling. What a pain in the ass it was to find parts for that car...

Did normal maintenance pieces like brakes have to come through their dealer network or was it available from warehouses like common cars? Mercedes-Benz used a mix of Girling and ATE at the same time on the same cars in the '70s and '80s, I guess that one or the other could not supply all of the calipers they needed on the big selling cars like w123 and w126, etc.

Annoyingly, they use very similar but not identical pads and you need to know which ones you have when ordering. These parts and components are still widely available today, though, so I guess it's mass produced stuff vs. Lamborghini.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by Don Ro

Informative video...especially about the Cobra - serial #'s, and 427 vs 428 motor and what Ford made Shelby do.

Yes, I never knew about the 428/427 thing before watching that. I'd be pissed if I bought one back then and got a 428 lump because 427 side-oilers were in short supply.

[tabs]

Originally Posted by speeder

Yes, I never knew about the 428/427 thing before watching that. I'd be pissed if I bought one back then and got a 428 lump because 427 side-oilers were in short supply.

I think it was the 68 Shelby GT 500's started getting the 428 because of a shortage of 427's. Later in 68 they were called GT 500kr's as they had 428 cj' s in em.

[tabs]

Ohhh and of course the show was a set up. The owner called the Barn guys in to show...advertise what they had. Interesting never the less.

[Don Ro]

Originally Posted by tabs

I think it was the 68 Shelby GT 500's started getting the 428 because of a shortage of 427's. Later in 68 they were called GT 500kr's as they had 428 cj' s in em.

I believe your dates are accurate.
My college roomie's father (lived in another state) told him to go out and buy a car if his GPA was at least 3.0 for the semester. On a Sat. morning we wondered around the dealers and we spied a barely used Red '67 GT500/427, dual quads, and roughly 2,200 miles. Roomie paid more than the original buyer.
Salesmen were peeing their pants...wanting to test it.

Long/short:
Dad was highly pissed but didn't force him to sell.
The car was a monster and a chick magnet.
The spec sheets listed its power as "Advertised at xxxx rpm". Dealer said was manipulation - rated lower by Ford - for insurance.
In '68 they were dumbed down 428's and named "KR" as in King of the Road"
.
That's pretty much all that I recall...but bloody damn, that was a honkin' rig.
I could easily say that it was one of the few quickest cars I have ever ridden in/driven.
I could almost feel my nose being smashed across my face on acceleration. Cheeks being pulled back to my ear lobes.
Over 'n out.