SSI goes online

[Marek]

well I know what you are thinking, NO, they have not been on anything, SO ME or forums, up to date
so its new from today

Our first thing, will be to go live on social media´s forums
2nd will be development of new parts, quality control etc

I will be here, with the owner Martin , to answer your questions regarding SSI etc , and listen, to what your guys are saying ,
we maybe do not know, the answer to everything, But we will do our best to have it

So please join us and follow SSI on Instagram SSIEXHAUST .

First some short facts

JP group bought SSI in 2013 from John, as he wants to retire


All tools where moved to Denmark

The hole production, is made in house in Denmark ! so no china etc what people are writing, newer was
AND the exact same tools , spot welders , stamp and pressing tools are in use today !!!

The exact same stainless steel 304 is bought in Denmark ,so no cheap china steel

Of course, there have been learning difficulties in the beginning, but many improvements, have also been made since

and the quality control ,on these is intense, before they leave the house

many ask why JP group offer now a SSI exhaust .. well John was in the making of one , pics of his tools attached
but he never finished it, so Martin finished it , using same material as the heat exchangers , as JP group own exhuast program, have a different finish

But Martin the owner, and John had long talks of, what the future could bring for SSI ,
So new SSI parts are in the making, larger and som other models as well !

So this was just some short facts , and a few pictures attached

but Join SSI on Instagram , where we will show you all, the behind scenes and stories
and for those, who dont have instagram , we will keep you up to date , here at Pelican also

Regards Martin & Marek

[fred cook]

I have had a set of SSI exhausts on my SC for several years. When first installed, the engine was a stock 3.0. A bit later, I rebuilt it into a 3.3SS and reused the SSI exhausts. I was concerned that the pipes would be too small to support the larger displacement and higher rpms, but as it turned out, they have and do work perfectly. When I rebuilt the engine I used a set of ported Carrera heads and had to flare the exhaust flanges a few millimeters to match the larger exhaust ports in the heads. When I rebuilt the engine in 2013, I detail cleaned the SSI exhausts before bolting them on the engine. The result is an engine that will turn 7500 rpms with good power on the top end. Even with a "stock" 2 in and one out muffler, the exhaust note really sings over 4K! This is a picture taken recently of the bottom of the engine. It has not been cleaned since it was built 7 years ago!

[Beaky]

Hi Martin & Marek, Thanks for the update.

I'm led to believe when Modding a 3.2 one of the issue with the standard SSI was the size of the displacement (pipe) which would limit power as the gasses were until to escape at the right velocity (excuse the non technical talk!)

If you are planning a larger diameter set of SSI's, I think there is a very large audience waiting for such a set. I'm currently running set of SSI's on a 3.2 taken out to 3.4.

[RDM]

What is the status of SSI getting TÜV approval?

[Duc Hunter]

I would still love some SSI's that are big enough to flow for a 3.6. Hmmm.

[Marek]

Hi Dru

SSI as heat exchangers can not get TUV ! ,due to the part is a part of the heathing system and dont need TUV , we checked years ago and it was not possible to even get the TUV, and we are not fimilar with any case that SSI heat exchangers have caused a problem at inspection , what we know of

Originally Posted by RDM

What is the status of SSI getting TÜV approval?

[Marek]

Originally Posted by Duc Hunter

I would still love some SSI's that are big enough to flow for a 3.6. Hmmm.

Hi Chris and others

We are working on a bigger 41 mm heat exchanger for spring 2021
We will post more info , as we progress on our instagram , so pls follow SSIEXHAUST

Thanks guys

Marek

[RDM]

Originally Posted by Marek

Hi Dru

SSI as heat exchangers can not get TUV ! ,due to the part is a part of the heathing system and dont need TUV , we checked years ago and it was not possible to even get the TUV, and we are not fimilar with any case that SSI heat exchangers have caused a problem at inspection , what we know of

Marek,

When I was investigating historic plates for my '80 SC, the inspector asked for the TÜV certification for the SSIs. Now you have heard of a case.

After a short Duck search, I find Tubi offers TÜV compliant exhaust parts. Kline offers TÜV compliant exhaust parts. Cargraphic offers TÜV compliant exhaust parts. I'm sure these companies are not wasting their money for something impossible.

Is it impossible because the air-cooled exhaust provides heat and exhaust together, or is it something else?

[Marek]

Hi Dru

Strange , but I spoke to the owner of JP group
and he says , and they check at TUV ,
and that the SSI heat exchanger it self, NOT complete with exhaust , is not a part which requires TUV, as its a part of the heating system and you can not even have a TUV papper for it , it dont exsist from TUV

Exhaust Yes , thats a different story

FYI for our American friends

TÜVs (German pronunciation: [ˈtʏf]; short for German: Technischer Überwachungsverein, English: Technical Inspection Association) are German and Austrian businesses that provide vehicular inspection and product certification services.

Regards
Marek

[Marek]

Hi Guys

Step inside a 3D tour of the assembly hall at SSI in Denmark

https://my.matterport.com/show/?m=tjNibkPKZz8

I am sure it would be a joy, for John to see his old machine park, is still working like a Swiss watch

Remember to follow SSIexhaust on Instagram for the latest news and dont forget to TAG us on your build

SSIexhaust

[AndrewCologne]

Originally Posted by RDM

When I was investigating historic plates for my '80 SC, the inspector asked for the TÜV certification for the SSIs. Now you have heard of a case.

"historic plate" certification by the TÜV normally is a different case and not to be mixed up with the typical "TÜV inspection" every two years.
In Germany "historic plate" certifications do not need any official TÜV approval documents like "EG Typenbescheinigung", "ABE" etc. for the installed parts.
Here for that specific "historic plate" approval only the aspect of "genuineness" is relevant. BUT shure on the other hand it presupposes the regular 2-year TÜV inspection to be passed, but your experience above refers to a "historic plate" inspection.

At the normal "TÜV inspection" at every two years here 99,9% of all TÜV experts/stuff often don't even know anything about those classic 911 specific details/genuineness and what has been left the factory in specific decades/years.
I never had problems with my SSIs,.... even in my case where the car with the 930/16 engine left the factory with a lambda based cat system. They even don't check the Mufflers Euro type approval reg. number (Dansk sells the "two in / one ou"t steel muffler as 911 SC 3.0 TÜV approved, but the official Euro type approval document only states an approval for a 911 S with 2.7 Liter) ... so if to them it looks ok, and sounds ok, then ... have fun, pay the inspection and leave. So as Marek states the Heatexchangers semselfes in Germany do not need any TÜV-approval as long as they do not make emissios worse or make the system louder as it has left the factory in the 70s or 80s. So if seen verry corectly I'm not legal on the road as by installing the SSIs I dropped the catalyst and even with still working Lambda, the emission will result worse as with the original factory setup.

Here the TÜV experts eyes are totally more focussed on new over-turned cars with i.E. modified valve exhaust systems where young "Machos" do prepare and modify their AMG type Daimlers to stress peoples nerves in the city at saturday night prime time on weekends just for a big show. Here in Cologne in the middle of the city where all the best known restaurants ad cafes are, there exists a curve called "Monaco curve". Here those tuning AMG or Lambo freaks do pass by 5 or 7 times in an hour letting people know who's the one. Now you understand why TÜV experts do have their focus on other cars than well and lovely kept classic 911s :-). BUT here lies another nub of a problem: If you installed a Muffler and the deliverd docs do not 100% match with the year of engine you installed the muffler etc. to (like in my case the "2in1out" muffler wher the doc/approval mentions a 2.7 911 S engine/vehicle then it could be that on a sudden police check where they recognise that non approved usage of the muffler .... your car gets hooked up and brought to an official check.
Cause of the problems with street races in the cities, vehicle posing, modified mufflers and so on, the police here follows a no tolerance rule. In Cologne there exists a special police unit "SOKO rennen" (task force "race") and its funny watching such a "macho" kid crying when his AMG 500 gets hooked up by them and he continues his evening and the folowing week driving in a train.

The "historic plate" certification by the TÜV is another story, here it could be that a special expert there at the TÜVs office comes to a "historic plate" certification request for a classic car. These guys often know much more about exhaust components, emission categories, year specific modifications and so on.
BUT! in most cases the "historic plate" certification is done by the same TÜV expert who does the normal 2-year inspections, means ... if all "looks like" it has been left the factory and if all is in very good or good condition and if it comes with a radio from tose years :-) , then ... it will be approved and you get the historic plate.

So if a TÜV expert really rejects the "historic plate" certification in case of non existing TÜV-appoval of installed SSIs, ... I recommend looking for another TÜV station, cause this scenario cant be avoided by a TÜV approval doc of the SSIs as the TÜV experts in this specific case can NOT reject cause of not following to technical restriction which requires a missing TÜV/EU-Approval ..... BUT he ONLY could reject cause of not keeping the historical genuineness in case here of official approval for the "historic plate".
And even here ... if you can proof to the TÜV-expert in your specific case that in that decade of the 70/80s already people did backdate their Heat exchangers to early type ones and the TÜV in that time approved that, then, ... yes ... even then, the TÜV today MUST accept it AS LONG as you don't make emissions worse or the exhaust louder.

[AndrewCologne]

Originally Posted by Marek

and that the SSI heat exchanger it self, NOT complete with exhaust , is not a part which requires TUV, as its a part of the heating system and you can not even have a TUV papper for it , it dont exsist from TUV

Exhaust Yes , thats a different story

Yes, but ... as you offer SSI heat exchangers for a 3.0 engine which then needs a "2in1out" muffler, this muffler then needs a TÜV certifictation for a 911 SC with 3.0 engine.
I bought the 2in1 normal steel one with 70 tube/tip and the docs only states 911 S with 2.7 engine. That should be corrected/approved to make it 100% legal on those engines.

[stephen1070]

Thank you for posting!

Can you elaborate on your SSI exhaust?

Thank you !

[Flojo]

Originally Posted by Marek

Hi Dru

SSI as heat exchangers can not get TUV ! ,due to the part is a part of the heathing system and dont need TUV , we checked years ago and it was not possible to even get the TUV, and we are not fimilar with any case that SSI heat exchangers have caused a problem at inspection , what we know of

exactly. they don't require papers in Germany (ABE, AllgemeineBetriebsErlaubnis).

they are accepted as new-make aftermarket part to be a swap from the OEM-40-year-old ones.

Absolutely no problem to pass a car at TÜV with these.

edit: btw, I love mine from day one! brilliant part!

[mikedsilva]

Originally Posted by Marek

Hi Guys

Step inside a 3D tour of the assembly hall at SSI in Denmark

https://my.matterport.com/show/?m=tjNibkPKZz8

I am sure it would be a joy, for John to see his old machine park, is still working like a Swiss watch

Remember to follow SSIexhaust on Instagram for the latest news and dont forget to TAG us on your build

SSIexhaust

Very cool, but it looks like everyone is just standing around and doing nothing!

[Marek]

Originally Posted by mikedsilva

Very cool, but it looks like everyone is just standing around and doing nothing!

Hehe , You are right , But it was after hours , and it was some local guys, that have started a new business called XploR XR
that are paying with this 3D thing, that they want to show off, but we think it came out pretty cool

Marek

[Jonny042]

41mm is good...... 42 or 43 would be better

But seriously, I think you'll find there's a good market for these. I know people say the 35mm id tubes of the originals is big enough for a 3.0L but surely these were optimized for a 2.4L since that's what they originally fit?

Also, instagram sucks. Keep posting on the forum(s) if you want your new product release info to actually become content, searchable, and permanent, and not just a fart in the wind like an instagram post.

Originally Posted by Marek

Hi Chris and others

We are working on a bigger 41 mm heat exchanger for spring 2021
We will post more info , as we progress on our instagram , so pls follow SSIEXHAUST

Thanks guys

Marek

[Marek]

Originally Posted by Jonny042

Also, instagram sucks. Keep posting on the forum(s) if you want your new product release info to actually become content, searchable, and permanent, and not just a fart in the wind like an instagram post.

OFFCAUSE , WE KEEP YOU GUYS UPDATED HERE AS WELL,
on the latest news and what we are up to

Marek

[Marek]

Hi Guys

We got a 41 mm ready for you guys in the early 2021 ( febuary )
We are doing some testing right now , we got a perfect fit, and we are happy with the result

pricing will follow in the new year

you are welcome to order by sending me a e-mail at early911parts@gmail.com
and I will keep you posted once they are ready

we got a bunch off new SSI stuff comming in spring 2021
so follow us on instagram SSIexhust
where we also posted pics of the 41 mm
( I will post the pics here also asap )

and I will offcause also post ,the future news updates here for you guys

Happy hollidays and stay safe

from SSI- Denmark

Marek & Martin

[rory gallagher]

Marek this is great news...
I see the name Bott on a piece of equipment in one of your pictures.
Is your partner Martin Bott of 916 transmission fame ?
( I'll soon have his kit on the road)
Best of luck in your new venture